E & P Relationship Timeline....for the record...

[Tigger2]

There's been much speculation on whether or not there was any E & P cheating going on (technically speaking) and not one of us will ever know the true story.

However, there are many retellings that E hooked up with P at the VH-1 award show on December 1, let nature take them to the limo and "told their girlfriends the next day." Which I take to mean, DECEMBER 2. I've read that line upteen times before, so it seems that is the one detail at least E & P and A & F aren't disputing.

As for the ever important DATES of the big switcheroo, those of us who belong to photo websites can "prove" what visually was recorded.

NOVEMBER 29--Ellen and Alexandra are photographed at the "Ms. Magazine Celebrates Kathy Najimy as One of its 2004 Women of The Year"

They look like the happy and comfortable couple they did many times before.

DECEMBER 1--Ellen and Portia are photographed together at the "VH1 Big in '04"

And as of December 2, the rest is history. Guess you just never know what the day will bring, right?

[MyEverything54]

*confused* :?

[Tigger2]

Sorry you're confused....but the question about when and if they cheated and what happened always gets brought up, so I thought I'd look back at those few days to see where they were, etc.,

After looking at one of the photo websites that I belong to and seeing E's celebrity pics during that 2-3 day period, things changed overnight, but there wasn't a single clue.

Just an observation. Makes me glad I'm not a celebrity...can't imagine having my life displayed in living color like that. Just seems so surreal.

Here you are one day....here you are on another. Things change so quickly for some people that it's almost scary. And the photogs just keep on clicking....

[mom_of_12]

Just an observation. Makes me glad I'm not a celebrity...can't imagine having my life displayed in living color like that. Just seems so surreal.


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Though celebs know the perils before they enter the ring, I still can't imagine having to live my life in the public eye. It must be terribly difficult!

[Tigger2]

But to answer my own question....maybe there was something going on behind Alex's back. Not that I buy into all of this gossip, but I found this post on a P fansite which I thought was fascinating:

IMPORTANT: this is a quote from another web post about the tight lesbian community in Hollywood and NOT my opinion.


"When Heche ordeal happened she [Ellen] played the big victim, saying her heart was broken gaining sympathy, and everybody hated Anne, but now she did the same thing (even worse than Anne) to Alex....

She cheated on her 6 months behind her back, buying Portia's love with VERY expensive gifts and all the while keeping Alex in the dark, calling her the love of her life in various interviews and even on Larry King....

I actually feel sorry for Ellen now because she doesn't know what she gotten self into. Portia was best friend of Anne Heche when the nasty break up happened between her and Anne, and she was at her wedding....

Portia knew Ellen even back then but Ellen's career was ruined, nobody wanted her, she hit rock bottom. Why didn't Portia fall in love with her then? If Ellen wants to fool herself that Portia is in love with her, so be it.

If her show gets cancelled I think Portia would fall out of love quickly. What I know of Miss Rogers, they deserve each other. Melissa Etheridge (her best friend of 20 years) doesn't want to have anything to do with Ellen anymore. All the friends Ellen and Alex shared after the breakup stood by Alex and stopped being friends with Ellen."


Now I'm not assuming any of this is true, but it does offer a lot of strange information for what could have happened.

We'll never know, I guess.

[st17ar]

I wouldn't put merrit on anything quoted from the portia website, those people over there are so misinformed, they blurt out whatever their personal feelings are about something which tends to be cynical, pessimistic and just plain mean and claims that it is fact. I don't even know where they get half of there information from.

[mom_of_12]

I was another who initially wondered why you were posting the Reader's Digest synopsis on their relationship's start, as it would seem that the questions would've been more common on other Websites. I honestly couldn't recall that many posts over here still disputing the facts.

[Tigger2]

What questions "are more common" on other websites? I thought people here were interested in the skinny on their getting together....on one recent post they mentioned that they still wondered if E had actually been cheating with P long before the big announcement.

Damn....wish I'd copied the actual statement from the post, but now I don't remember what thread it came from!

Frankly, if E was cheating with P long before December 1, I'd be relieved because otherwise it will always smack of a schizo moment for her. I'd like to think it happened the usual way....Alex was dumped long AFTER Ellen decided to be with Portia.

Seems more normal than..."Hi...glad to see you again after 9 months...want to go have sex in the limo....oh, gosh, I need to drop my long-term girlfriend tomorrow...are you doing anything December 3....want to move in together?

[AlterEgo]

Seems more normal than..."Hi...glad to see you again after 9 months...want to go have sex in the limo....oh, gosh, I need to drop my long-term girlfriend tomorrow...are you doing anything December 3....want to move in together?

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[bladesedge]

We;ve been through this anti Ellen stuff before. Do we need to go through it again?

It was a huge mess then and luckily we were rid of it. Lets not go back.

Who cares who says they cheated or not! Its not our business. They don't make it our business. When they get out and start accepting or denying they cheated to us or to journaists THEN we can start deciding whether they have or not. THEN break out the pitchforks.

But until then its all paparazzi speculation and not worth the paper in the magazine it was printed on.

[Tigger2]

And, mom_of_12, that's why no one should say anything that is remotely questioning of Ellen at this website.

Just too, too controversial. My apologies.

[mom_of_12]

What questions "are more common" on other websites?

First off, what I said was: "as it would seem that the questions would've been more common on other Websites." While I am sorry if this sounds harsh, please do not put quotation marks around words that not only change the meaning of what was said, but were not exact words to begin w/. Additionally, since you are in journalism (as your info section states) you know that this is inappropriate handling of another's words.

Secondly, the "questions" I referred to were the ones you essentially mentioned: who was cheating whom & when everything began. It seemed like it all calmed down on this site in recent weeks, which was why I said this. Back when this was fresh, speculation was highly abundant. It no longer seems to be this way.

[Tigger2]

Ohmigod.....I didn't choose to change your meaning. I was quickly making reference to your comment....don't label my use as inappropriate. That wasn't my intent.

Or was your comment just meant as a pure insult?

[sunshine6]

We;ve been through this anti Ellen stuff before. Do we need to go through it again?

It was a huge mess then and luckily we were rid of it. Lets not go back.

Who cares who says they cheated or not! Its not our business. They don't make it our business. When they get out and start accepting or denying they cheated to us or to journaists THEN we can start deciding whether they have or not. THEN break out the pitchforks.

But until then its all paparazzi speculation and not worth the paper in the magazine it was printed on.


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Talula]

*choking up with emotion* Why can't we all just get along?!?!?! :(

[sunshine6]

*choking up with emotion* Why can't we all just get along?!?!?! :(

True! Well the majority of us do, but some like to bring their negative energy into other's lives in order to make themselves feel better.

[Talula]

Yeah, that is also my general perception of this site, sunshine. So I don't mean to put anyone down, not the poster or anybody else, of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'm just thinking: this subject is so over and done with - I never understood the commotion to begin with, it's so not our business to judge their personal lives. But regardless of opinion I just hope people on this site will keep a friendly tone towards each other when it comes to disagreements. That way we can keep this forum open and welcoming.

So let's get back to being silly - come ooon! *doing the Macarena AND the Roger Rabbit dance to get the good vibes going* 8)

[JetGrrl]

What questions "are more common" on other websites?

First off, what I said was: "as it would seem that the questions would've been more common on other Websites." While I am sorry if this sounds harsh, please do not put quotation marks around words that not only change the meaning of what was said, but were not exact words to begin w/. Additionally, since you are in journalism (as your info section states) you know that this is inappropriate handling of another's words.

Good call, mo. It's very important to accurately represent a person's intentions in their entire dialogue, not just pick out random pieces and use them elsewhere. Good journalism is embellishing the interviewees perspective, not placing your own intents upon it. Unless you plan to work for a tabloid, I'd take mo's comments into serious consideration. They were not intended as an insult I am sure, but as constructive criticism - learn from it.

Seems more normal than..."Hi...glad to see you again after 9 months...want to go have sex in the limo....oh, gosh, I need to drop my long-term girlfriend tomorrow...are you doing anything December 3....want to move in together?

:lol: ROFL!!! :lol: That's so funny!!! That is scarily like an abbreviated version of some real life people though, that's the scary bit!

[sunshine6]

Yeah, that is also my general perception of this site, sunshine. So I don't mean to put anyone down, not the poster or anybody else, of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'm just thinking: this subject is so over and done with - I never understood the commotion to begin with, it's so not our business to judge their personal lives. But regardless of opinion I just hope people on this site will keep a friendly tone towards each other when it comes to disagreements. That way we can keep this forum open and welcoming.

So let's get back to being silly - come ooon! *doing the Macarena AND the Roger Rabbit dance to get the good vibes going* 8)

Exact-a-mundo girlfriend!!!

*laughs at Talula's interpretation of the Roger Rabbit* :P

[Talula]

*laughs at Talula's interpretation of the Roger Rabbit* :P

Hmm...I'm hoping that's a good type of laugh. The oh-my-God-look-at-the-moves-on-her-laugh :-P . Not the LOL-she's-tying-a-knot-on-herself one!

[mom_of_12]

Ohmigod.....I didn't choose to change your meaning. I was quickly making reference to your comment....don't label my use as inappropriate. That wasn't my intent.

Or was your comment just meant as a pure insult?


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Actually, as my numerous posts on this board would show, I am not in the habit of insulting people @ random, or otherwise. I rarely have either the drive, or energy for such foolishness. :-)

Regardless of your intent, my feeling stands; I cannot see how this could possibly be considered "appropriate handling" of another's words. If you were in any other field, I may not have expected a degree of accuracy. After all, Web boards do tend to be informal & full of mistakes w/ grammar, spelling, accuracy, etc...

Now that we both understand where the other came from on this issue, it should be safe to move on...yes?

[Tigger2]

I'm sorry you seem to think that I violated some universal journalism rule (?) and meant to mis-quote you. That is simply untrue, but you are, as you say, entitled to your feelings.

As far as it being "appropriate handling" of another's words---it was something written quickly and without malice, but I, too, will be sure to notice how my words are handled by others in the future.

Thanks--