anne heche denies crazy rumours....

[pink19]

this is a link to perez hiltons site... anne heche is refusing to pay coley $45 a month in support! two right as well! haha! he is claiming that she needs mental health! lol!
http://www.perezhilton.com/index.php?page=2
http://perezhilton.com/topics/anne_heche/anne_heche_is_dangerous_to_her_childs_health_20070 517.php

[AnastasiaBeavrhausen]

Anne Heche has mental problems and hello, what about her alter ego Cellestia and claiming she was Jesus. She is not normal and I feel bad for her kid. I just try to imagine how it was with Ellen and her and if Ellen had to put up with a bunch of crapola with that psycho. Sorry, but this woman is scary! Just like her pic.. EEK!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zsuzsu/AnneHeche_273x400.jpg

[pink_devil]

Poor Anne, I feel sorry for her she lost custody of her son homer and only has visitation rights...

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/the-battle-for-homer/anne-heche-loses-child-custody-to-less-famous-less-crazy-husband-267945.php

[midwesta]

Someone having a mental problem is not psycho. It is just that. The world needs to wake up and notice problems before people harm someone. There is no need to dog someone. If Ellen knew she was mentally unfit, then maybe she should have gotten help for her,so maybe she wasn't then.

[AnastasiaBeavrhausen]

Anne has mental problems and has a history of hurting people because of them. No she's not psycho, but she is hurting many people around her and its including her spouse and son. But the stuff she did after or before Ellen and her breakup was not normal. It was scary.

[jlilest]

It is hard to really know what is going on.

It can be difficult to make someone get treatment in the U.S.

People as a rule can refuse treatment and no one can make them take their medication.

There has perhaps been too much of a swing toward protecting peoples rights in these situations although there are no easy answers.

Going too far in the other direction where people could be made to take treatments can be scary too. Society has in the past considered things to be mental problems that would not be looked at that way now.

[freudscigar]

Wooooahhhh Nelly.... can we just clarify that it is not (nor was not) Ellen's role to get help for Anne, or anyone else for that matter.

If an individual has mental health difficulties, the most anyone can do is talk them through with that person, and encourage that person to seek help in their own fashion/time. No help = consequences that only that person with the mental health difficulties can be accountable for. Yes, that may sound harsh, but that is the unfortunate reality: there is only so much anyone else can do; we all have limitations, and people with mental health difficulties are not the most insightful (by circumstance), so it doubles up the powerlessness.
Let's be clear: Only Anne Heche can be accountable for Anne Heche. I can empathise til the cows come home, but woman's gotta work on stuff if other people continue to raise these things as a concern. Having said that, who the heck knows what's going on with her and Coley. All the best to them both, and my thoughts really, are with the l'il one (Homer).

[KellyD]

Anne Heche’s up to her old tricks. Page Six reports Ellen DeGeneres‘ former flame has been hitting up the ladies:

It seems Anne Heche’s messy divorce from Coleman Laffoon is driving her to seek the company of women. On Saturday night, Heche was spotted “getting very cozy” with club promoter Voula Duval at the Gramercy Park Hotel’s Rose Bar. Then, Sunday night, Heche was spotted flirting with Six Degrees star Shiri Appleby, 28, at a Tony Awards after-party at Bryant Park Hotel.

Heche’s flack had no comment on her clients queer behavior. Shocker.

[midwesta]

Wooooahhhh Nelly.... can we just clarify that it is not (nor was not) Ellen's role to get help for Anne, or anyone else for that matter.

If an individual has mental health difficulties, the most anyone can do is talk them through with that person, and encourage that person to seek help in their own fashion/time. No help = consequences that only that person with the mental health difficulties can be accountable for. Yes, that may sound harsh, but that is the unfortunate reality: there is only so much anyone else can do; we all have limitations, and people with mental health difficulties are not the most insightful (by circumstance), so it doubles up the powerlessness.
Let's be clear: Only Anne Heche can be accountable for Anne Heche. I can empathise til the cows come home, but woman's gotta work on stuff if other people continue to raise these things as a concern. Having said that, who the heck knows what's going on with her and Coley. All the best to them both, and my thoughts really, are with the l'il one (Homer).

I am guessing you are referring to me. The person 2 above said that Ellen could have had to deal with Anne. I stated that if she did,then she should have gotten her help. If you had a child and they needed mental help I am assumong you would just let them go full blown crazy. It is a duty to take care of one's that you love no matter what. My professor was telling us how famalies protect or do not report people who need mental help and in turn they do something that does harm others. Someone's mental state effects others too. Lets be clear,if someone is as mentally unstable as this thread states,how can they take care of themselves? I have known of people who have been forced into mental help. In addition, I also think that her husband or ex or who ever( I don't keep up with who's with who) is/was also responsible.

[freudscigar]

The matter of children is very very different to that of dealing with adults. Obviously, children are less likel to know how to fend for themselves and require the guidance and support and love of others. Although some adults have not psychologically developed past infancy/formative years, and require the same needs, there is only so much another person can do. Caring for someone is very very different to helping (read: rescuing) them. So, if you mean that Ellen could have cared for Anne, than I agree with you. And I'm sure Ellen did (as if I know....!!) And if by "get her help", you mean encourage her to address her problems, then yes, Ellen should have done that too, and again, bearing in mind I have never met or know these celebrities, Ellen probably did that too. But to try to sustain a relationship with an adult who either does not want help or doesn't recognise that they need it, is placing the care-taker in a dangerous position both medically and psychologically. What they do in that situation is often very much a case-by-case situation. There really is no "right way" to manage these things.
BUT, these are just my two cents. I'm not claiming I carry the Truth. I don't want to get into an argument about this issue, even though I'm more than interested in what others have to say on the matter. I guess I'm just stating my ethical position on this issue. That's the thing with ethics: they're very subjective. Perhaps, we'll have to just agree to disagree.
No offense intended to any posters here.... my sincerest apologies if that has occured.

[midwesta]

The matter of children is very very different to that of dealing with adults. Obviously, children are less likel to know how to fend for themselves and require the guidance and support and love of others. Although some adults have not psychologically developed past infancy/formative years, and require the same needs, there is only so much another person can do. Caring for someone is very very different to helping (read: rescuing) them. So, if you mean that Ellen could have cared for Anne, than I agree with you. And I'm sure Ellen did (as if I know....!!) And if by "get her help", you mean encourage her to address her problems, then yes, Ellen should have done that too, and again, bearing in mind I have never met or know these celebrities, Ellen probably did that too. But to try to sustain a relationship with an adult who either does not want help or doesn't recognise that they need it, is placing the care-taker in a dangerous position both medically and psychologically. What they do in that situation is often very much a case-by-case situation. There really is no "right way" to manage these things.
BUT, these are just my two cents. I'm not claiming I carry the Truth. I don't want to get into an argument about this issue, even though I'm more than interested in what others have to say on the matter. I guess I'm just stating my ethical position on this issue. That's the thing with ethics: they're very subjective. Perhaps, we'll have to just agree to disagree.
No offense intended to any posters here.... my sincerest apologies if that has occured.


You could just come out and say that you are "speaking" to me. The fact of the matter is you or anyone does not know if she/he did or not. The words "could" and "if" mean a lot too. Why do people seem to hate her anyway? I have been taught by the best ,so there is no need for the infancy and child development background. Like I said,many adults are forced to get help,so maybe she is not as mentally unstable as others believe. Yeah,no offense and no apologies if there are.

[huggy]

maybe i just haven't evolved enough, but i don't see how it can be perceived that ellen was responsible for fixing heche.

[freudscigar]

I post on this board because it is by definiton a forum - community dialogue. My posts are not directed at anyone; they are not personally targeted. I see myself standing in a room, full of (very lovely) people, waiting my turn, and then when the opportunity is made available, and I feel the desire to, I share my trivial opinion.

I have never stated hating Anne Heche; nor would I ever make such a statement. I don't know her to hate her. Nor do I have any disrespect whatsoever for her or judge her as anything other than a good actress. It's the only capacity in which I see her.

My opinion on this topic of whether Ellen should have cared for Anne (more, less, whatever) is based on both clinical practice and academic research. The Code of Conduct and Ethical Codes for APA (or any international psych association for that matter), include very clear guidelines about the role (and limitations therein) of caretakers (including therapists), and the position that any caretaker should hold as acknowledging these limitations for the safety of both the caretaker and the patient.

I never claim to know what is "right" (anyone who claims to is said to walk very dangerous philosophical territory), but the guidelines are pretty clear, and the reference to caring for others has not changed in 27 years. Until they do, then practitioners need to follow the guidelines as instructed, trusting that many years of careful clinical research have resulted in this advisory. Not following these guidelines, means that practitioners are engaging in professional misconduct.

Sure, in the general population, people don't have a code of conduct, per se. But we all have ethics, morals, etc. Despite how different our own personal "code of conduct" might be, looking after someone is one thing that we all can do. But taking the accountability for someone else's well-being, is directly challenging the principal of free will for the other, and ignoring the principal of limitations of the self.

Again, my opinion: There would have only been so much that anyone (including Ellen) could have/should have/would have done for Anne Heche. Whether Ellen did or didn't do anything/enough of anything, we'll never know.

[midwesta]

maybe i just haven't evolved enough, but i don't see how it can be perceived that ellen was responsible for fixing heche.

I never said she was and you can't "fix" people.

[midwesta]

I post on this board because it is by definiton a forum - community dialogue. My posts are not directed at anyone; they are not personally targeted. I see myself standing in a room, full of (very lovely) people, waiting my turn, and then when the opportunity is made available, and I feel the desire to, I share my trivial opinion.

I have never stated hating Anne Heche; nor would I ever make such a statement. I don't know her to hate her. Nor do I have any disrespect whatsoever for her or judge her as anything other than a good actress. It's the only capacity in which I see her.

My opinion on this topic of whether Ellen should have cared for Anne (more, less, whatever) is based on both clinical practice and academic research. The Code of Conduct and Ethical Codes for APA (or any international psych association for that matter), include very clear guidelines about the role (and limitations therein) of caretakers (including therapists), and the position that any caretaker should hold as acknowledging these limitations for the safety of both the caretaker and the patient.

I never claim to know what is "right" (anyone who claims to is said to walk very dangerous philosophical territory), but the guidelines are pretty clear, and the reference to caring for others has not changed in 27 years. Until they do, then practitioners need to follow the guidelines as instructed, trusting that many years of careful clinical research have resulted in this advisory. Not following these guidelines, means that practitioners are engaging in professional misconduct.

Sure, in the general population, people don't have a code of conduct, per se. But we all have ethics, morals, etc. Despite how different our own personal "code of conduct" might be, looking after someone is one thing that we all can do. But taking the accountability for someone else's well-being, is directly challenging the principal of free will for the other, and ignoring the principal of limitations of the self.

Again, my opinion: There would have only been so much that anyone (including Ellen) could have/should have/would have done for Anne Heche. Whether Ellen did or didn't do anything/enough of anything, we'll never know.

I agree with that 100%. Your first sentence was directed to my post that's all. I never said you seemed not to like Heche,but I just see post that seem like that. I really did not direct that to you and I never thought you did at all,but it is obvious that you were directing the first sentence to me. My first post was directed to the Ms. that said she was crazy and everone started getting up in the air about it. If some would read, they would not have posted what they posted. By studying at ND, I know better not to say anything that's for sure. I stated words such as "if" and maybe. I never said that she should treat her and again,no need for the breakdown I am educated. I post and people automatically get on the attack because some may think that I am degrading Ellen. As an African Amercian I see degrading as a heartless act,so that's not me. I have been spit at and called names because of the color of my skin,so that is not my intention. I posted 1 comment and "70,000" people blow up(not including you) Statements saying she is crazy are degrading,but that's just me. I just do not understand the negativity I see on here about her and others. Anyway, I'm on my way to the club. lol

[stoner]

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/463043,CST-FTR-zp11.article

Apparently Coley threatens to publish letters that Ellen wrote to Anne. I just really hope Ellen's not going to be dragged into this, that would be very unfair. :-(

[scully4ever]

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/463043,CST-FTR-zp11.article

Apparently Coley threatens to publish letters that Ellen wrote to Anne. I just really hope Ellen's not going to be dragged into this, that would be very unfair. :-(


WTF??? Crazy and stupid people. Please just close this thread...it´s not worth talking about people like that!!

[Tysonshadow]

I'M WITH SCULLY ON THIS!!!!

[Stephie22]

I'M WITH SCULLY ON THIS!!!!


I really wish that this letters from ellen to anne never get published .....its no ones business , its ellen`s privat life. And why does this stupid people involve ellen in their break up fight...


Poor Ellen......... :( :( :(

[freudscigar]

[quote=stoner]http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/463043,CST-FTR-zp11.article


WTF??? Crazy and stupid people. Please just close this thread...it´s not worth talking about people like that!!

Ditto. Let's not draw any more attention to this appalling display of manipulation. It's just disgusting.

[freudscigar]

[quote=stoner]http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/463043,CST-FTR-zp11.article


WTF??? Crazy and stupid people. Please just close this thread...it´s not worth talking about people like that!!

Ditto. Let's not draw any more attention to this appalling display of manipulation. It's just disgusting.

[DGenX]

Pathethic-characters.....digging into others, dragging in the past - such BITTER-PEOPLE.

THREAD-CLOSED PERMANENTLY. THANK YOU.