Election 2008

[jelkins]

I don't know if this topic has already been brought up or not. I'm curious as to what you all think about the upcoming presidential race here in the US? Very interesting stuff going on, in my opinion.
I'll admit, I'm still undecided. I'm a Democrat so I've got it narrowed down to a couple of candidates (Obama or Clinton) but I have not fully decided on who will get my vote just yet. I'm leaning in a certain direction but I'm hesitant to make up my mind while I'm researching and learning more about the candidates. Some of you may have already voted in the caucuses - and some of you may have your minds made up as to who you're voting for in November. I know it's early. But we're all Ellen fans so we have that common thread. And many of the people on here are gay; gay rights are an important factor in this election.
I'm just interested in hearing about what you think. I would suppose most of us are. Any thoughts?
*afterthought*
I realize there has recently been some upset on this forum over politics. It's not my intention to cause a ruckus. I'm hoping we can all be big girls and boys and have a civil discussion, rather than using this platform to pick a fight. Just thought I'd better say that......:o

[zoeak]

I've met several Americans (democrats) who think my political views are insane and communistic (in terms of salary differences, taxes, and what you use the tax money for), but in my little European country I'm slightly left of middle, and I've known communists and I did not necessarily agree with them.

That said, because of my American friends, and, you know, the world (America does have a bit of influence after all...) I pay attention to the Election - although not terribly close attention. I know I like the democratic candidates, but my exposure to them is very limited, and the only question I've really paid attention to is gay marriage. When I watched Logo's VisibleVote08 online, I really liked Clinton and thought Obama came off a bit patronizing and annoying, but after seeing them both on Ellen, I really liked Obama. He said he'd "immediately" (probably not to be trusted, right, but still) set up a federal law of domestic partnership, or whatever, that would grant all couples, gay or straight, the same rights, and then in terms of marriage, that would be something each religious demomination could decide for themselves. Which appealed to me; here we've had a registered partnership for gay couples since the early 90's, with the exact same legal rights and obligations (except adoption as a couple - that was finally added about 6 years ago) as straight married couples, and it's worked out pretty good.

Anyway, I also thought I'd take the opportunity to pimp two great vlogs over on AfterEllen:

Hilarity Clinton (http://www.afterellen.com/taxonomy/term/3025) - comedian Kate Clinton is opinionated and rants about anything and everything. She's into Clinton, and is occasionally nice, and occasionally totally not, to the other candidates (or anyone else who talks about politics these days).

The Gay Agenda (http://www.afterellen.com/taxonomy/term/3044) - also posted on the VisibleVote (http://www.visiblevote08.com/) website. Takes a somewhat more neatral stance, and examines what the different candidates, democrats and republicans, really think in terms of gay issues.

[jelkins]

Thank you for your comments, zoeak. I checked out the websites you recommended and I think they're great! Thanks for being willing to engage in this discussion.
Your comments on your country's policies toward domestic partnerships are encouraging to me. As an American, I find it very wrong that I'm not afforded those same rights. Don't get me wrong, I love my country. I'm a proud American - 1000%. I'm also openly gay, which sometimes puts me at odds with some people. But I've been with the kindest, smartest, funniest, most beautiful woman in the world for 12 years now (she's my Portia...) And I've decided that nobody is going to tell me that I can't love her, dedicate my life to her or marry her, if we decide to take that step in the future.
Sorry if this offends anyone here but, in my opinion, we all deserve better than for the likes of George W. Bush to presuppose any moral superiority he feels he has over us. As for me and my g/f, we pay our taxes - we pay a LOT of taxes. Other than a couple of speeding tickets (she's a bit of speed demon) we've never been in any trouble whatsoever. We're hard-working, generous, compassionate people who contribute greatly to the world around us. There is absolutely no reason we should be seen as second-class citizens, no matter how you cut it.
I've been strongly influenced by the brave souls who stood up in the 1960's during the civil rights era of this country. I'm no longer waiting for any President to *give* me the my rights. I am taking those rights, as an American and as a human being, and there's nothing anybody can do to stop me. Out of all the reasons I admire Ellen DeGeneres, her ideals of being honest, being free to be who we are and loving who we love, have been a huge inspiration in my life. Ellen's come a long way in working for those basic rights and I see no reason to believe she won't continue in that direction. I'm going to follow in her footsteps and fight the good fight.
I'm not sure who will win the election in 2008 and I'm not yet really sure of who I think the best person will be. But everyone on this message board has a vested interest in who will be inaugurated a year from now.

I really wish more people were interested in talking about the issue. I thought, of all places on the internet, there would be some people here who were willing and able to carry such a discussion.....??? :smash:

[rayoflight76]

I am 100% for Clinton. I just adore her. When she talks, I want to listen. Obama, not so much. I feel like he is just saying things but wont act out on them. He doesnt seem sincere to me. Dont know what it is, but he reminds me of Bush in the way he talks. In my mind, I am thinking, whatever!! I think Hilary has so much more experience and will really make changes for the better for the US. She has been in politics forever, has experienced first hand what being a president is like and what is needed to be done. I really liked Bill, but I remember when he was president, I used to think Hilary did as much as he did for our country. I love how strong she is and that she doesnt back down to anybody. And she is so passionate. I honestly think she will do great things. The US is in bad shape in my opinion. A lot of people ask me if I want Hilary because I am a women. That may be part of it, but I truly believe that we need a women to run this country. Women think different then men. Not to sound sexist, but women are a bit smarter as well. Especially when it comes to certain things. We need a big change and I think Hilary will make all the difference.

[jelkins]

Don't know if any of you are paying attention to Super Tuesday but it's an exciting night, politically.
Any comments on the results?

[jlilest]

I'm not so sure that politics is a good subject for here.

It has been the source of some rather heated debates before.

[drummonger]

I have been registered as an "Independant" for 15 years, but always leaned in the Democrat direction. (Gay rights being the main reason)...Anyway, I believe that ANYONE will do better than *BuSh*... but I digress....I will be voting for Hillary Clinton for MANY reasons. Not just because I am a female, and gay....but I believe that we need someone with EXPERIENCE. Hillary offers that! I have NOTHING against Barack...just that I am READY for this change, and I really believe/appreciate what she stands for. BTW (for my own personal sake) I want to see a woman in the white house!!!!!!!!!!!
Call me fickle....just a dreamer, and tired of the same ole male dominated politics. Just curious what a WOMAN can do. *** DISCLAIMER: I AM JUST 1 PERSON, AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. NOT TRYING TO SWAY VOTES....U ASKED...RIGHT?

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[jelkins]

I certainly don't mean to bring about any bad feelings here. I've been a part of this forum for a short time but I've watched the interactions here for quite a long time. I'm simply interested in politics and feel as though the upcoming election is an important topic these days, no matter who you are or where you stand. Ellen has pretty well abdicated herself from being a political figure thus far. However, she is the most visible and arguably, one of the very most influential gay personalities in the world. And she has had Hillary Clinton as a guest on her show. In my opinion, all of that makes this topic a viable and valid topic of conversation.
I can only speak for myself but I will be nothing but civil. I can say that most of the people I am close to have opposing views from my own. I just want to discuss the matters-at-hand; I'm not interested in fighting with anyone. AnastasiaBeavrhausen, I know you've run up against some criticism and unfair feedback on this forum. I hate that happened but I want you to know that I value your opinion. Eventhough I may disagree with you on some things, my experience tells me that I'm likely to agree with you more than I disagree with you on most things. You have every much of a right to voice your opinions on this forum as I do. I feel safe in saying that the last thing most of the people involved in this forum want is to alienate or make anyone feel unwelcome. Most of us have been subjected to such rejections. I don't think any of us really wants to pass those rejections on to anyone else.
Long and short, I'm hoping we can all be adults and discuss the upcoming election in a civil manner. I'm sure the moderators on this forum will close the thread if anything ugly transpires.
Hope that doesn't happen and I look forward to talking to anyone who'e interested in having a real and honest discussion.....

[petal]

Ummm, it's great that you want to discuss politics & you've done it in a very sincere manner, but from previous experience, it would be better for continued peace & harmony on this Forum to leave this topic right alone.

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[drummonger]

I personally believe that we are all her to act respectible and simply discuss each of our opinions. I think we are ALL adults here, and can/will speak responsiblly, treating each others opinions with respect and dignity. Hey, opinions are like.... We ALL have something in common here. POLITICS are NOT it, but we can ALL respecteach other, and just speak opinions. That's ALL we are doing. EnJoY!

Am I Right Ladies?
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[vanblue2003]

I personally believe that we are all her to act respectible and simply discuss each of our opinions. I think we are ALL adults here, and can/will speak responsiblly, treating each others opinions with respect and dignity. Hey, opinions are like.... We ALL have something in common here. POLITICS are NOT it, but we can ALL respecteach other, and just speak opinions. That's ALL we are doing. EnJoY!

Am I Right Ladies?
:wiz_biggrin:

exactly :D

well, i for one am happy that hillary won my beautiful state of california! ;)

it was my first time voting and i'm so proud it was for her.

you know what would be cool?

clinton/obama '08 lol :)

[Sankofa]

Clinton/Obama '08 or Obama/Clinton '08!!!!!
Both would be fantastic for me!:D

[xmaryx]

I saw this up on perez:

A Message To LGBT Americans (http://perezhilton.com/2008-02-05-a-message-to-lgbt-americans) (from hilary btw)

As I have traveled around the country these past twelve months, what I sensed in my heart has been confirmed – America is embracing its LGBT sons and daughters with an acceptance and understanding as never before. On the campaign trail, a father of a gay son will ask about ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. A woman will ask why she can be discriminated against just because of who she is. Sometimes they wait furtively for the crowd to thin and then whisper their confidences in a soft voice and sometimes they stand up proudly at town meetings and want me to share my views on how I will help lead the change to assure that this country fulfills its promise to everyone.
Let me tell you what I have been telling voters across America. I am fully committed to the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans. For seven long years, the Bush Administration has tried to divide us - only seeing people who matter to them. It's been a government of the few, by the few, and for the few. And no community has been more invisible to this administration than the LGBT community.
I will change that. The best evidence of what I will do as President is what I have already done.
* I am proud of my record as First Lady, as a U.S. Senator and as a candidate for President in working toward the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans.
* I am proud that as Chair of the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee in 2006, I worked closely with LBGT community to develop a smart strategy that defeated the Federal Marriage Amendment. I am proud of fighting the FMA as divisive wedge politics at its worst.
* I am proud to be a co-sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, and the Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligation Act which would grant the same benefits (including health insurance) to domestic partners of federal employees that are currently offered to employees’ legal spouses.
* I am proud to have authored the Early Treatment for HIV Act, which expands access to vital treatment options for low-income individuals living with HIV, and fought to fully fund the Ryan White CARE Act.
* I am proud that I hired a National Director of LGBT Outreach within a month of announcing my candidacy for President and to have openly gay and lesbian staffers serving at all levels of my campaign.
* I am proud to have a National LGBT Steering Committee of over 130 that includes openly LGBT elected officials, Board members and opinion leaders on issues ranging from transgender rights, to HIV/AIDS, to “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”.
* I am proud to have marched in Gay Pride parades as both First Lady and as Senator and to have spoken in front of so many LGBT audiences ranging from the Human Rights Campaign, Empire State Pride Agenda, the Hetrick Martin Institute, PFLAG (Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays), GMHC (Gay Men’s Health Crisis), and the American Foundation for AIDS Research.
* I am proud to have fought Republican efforts to demonize and marginalize the LGBT community, and I will continue to do that as President.
We have so much work to do. When I am President, we will work together to make sure that all Americans in committed relationships have equal benefits and that nothing stands in the way of loving couples who want to adopt children in need. We're going to expand our federal hate crimes legislation and pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and assure that they are both fully inclusive of all people. And finally, we will put an end to the failed policy of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Courage, honor, patriotism and sacrifice – the traits that define our men and women in uniform – have nothing to do with sexual orientation.
My father was a conservative Republican, who held very traditional views for much of his life. Yet in his last years, it was a gay couple who lived next door who provided much of the compassion and comfort he and my mother needed as he grew ill. And it was that same neighbor who held his hand as he died. If my father can move, America can move.
To each and every LGBT American, I say this. You have done so much to help this country understand your lives by simply being open and honest about who you are and living your lives with dignity. Thank you for your courage. It is time that we recognize your hard work. I know that this country is ready for changes in the law that reflect the evolution in our hearts.
America deserves a President who appeals to the best in each of us, not the worst; a President who values and respects all Americans and treats all Americans equally no matter who they are or who they love. I want to be that President. I want to be your President.

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Although i dont live in the US i have been following this carefully. Having studied US politics at school and having a job where I read about it in detail most days, I would say I am as informed as someone can be without living in the US, and although no candidate is perfect, I like Hilary, even though she has bad hair ;)

[vanblue2003]

i smiled the whole time i read that :)

she says she's against gay marriages, but *we know* she's secretly for them, haha :D

yup, i know her history with the lgbt community. it's very shiny if you look at it. very positive. :p

[i_love_ellen]

i smiled the whole time i read that :)
So was I....:D

[drummonger]

exactly :D

well, i for one am happy that hillary won my beautiful state of california! ;)

it was my first time voting and i'm so proud it was for her.

you know what would be cool?

clinton/obama '08 lol :)


Did she actually win California? I haven't looked at the news the past 2 days. HORRAY!

[Tolaoi]

I just Hope 4 yall that the Election gonna went good and yall get A good president and this ***** Bush will go away ...Pray 4yall to have good president :D no metter who win Clinton or Obama ..Hope yall get a good president

[Sankofa]

Right now Hilary has more Delegate votes from California than Obama. All Delegate votes are not in or have not been counted yet, but Hilary has been declared the winner. At least in California.

[jlilest]

The allocation of delegates is quite complex on the democratic side. The republicans mostly had a winner takes all delegates for each state.

[misskitty]

Here is a link about Super Tuesday... on the right, you'll see the number of Delegates that have been reported for BOTH PARTIES and you'll see the article is presenting BOTH SIDES :) I was surprised about McCain, but I really respect that man after what he went though as a POW... he went through hell and back, then back again...

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/05/georgia-voters-may-give-early-clues-to-super-tuesday-verdict-after-tense-day-of-campaigning/

From the site:

Despite the heavy focus on Super Tuesday, no candidate was able to clinch the nomination.

On the Democratic side, 1,681 delegates were up for grabs Tuesday and 2,025 are needed to secure the party’s nomination. For Republicans, 1,023 delegates were being decided Tuesday and 1,191 are needed to win the Republican nomination.

Definition of a Delegate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delegate#Politics

No candidate had enough delegates banked already to reach those majorities.

thanks AB for the information :)

[jelkins]

Here is a link about Super Tuesday... on the right, you'll see the number of Delegates that have been reported for BOTH PARTIES and you'll see the article is presenting BOTH SIDES :) I was surprised about McCain, but I really respect that man after what he went though as a POW... he went through hell and back, then back again...

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/05/georgia-voters-may-give-early-clues-to-super-tuesday-verdict-after-tense-day-of-campaigning/

From the site:

Despite the heavy focus on Super Tuesday, no candidate was able to clinch the nomination.

On the Democratic side, 1,681 delegates were up for grabs Tuesday and 2,025 are needed to secure the party’s nomination. For Republicans, 1,023 delegates were being decided Tuesday and 1,191 are needed to win the Republican nomination.

Definition of a Delegate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delegate#Politics

No candidate had enough delegates banked already to reach those majorities.

My dad actually served in the US Navy with McCain during the Vietnam War. McCain was a pilot, and his munitions were accidentally dropped on the deck of the USS Forestall, which started a huge fire. My dad (who was stationed on the USS Bon Homme Richard) was one of the first guys on the scene to help put the fire out. Incidentally, he met John McCain and talked with him on several occassions. My dad is voting for McCain. He thinks very, very highly of the man.
You all may not know this but McCain's father was an Admiral in the Navy. After McCain was captured and put in a POW camp, McCain actually had the chance to leave the POW camp, due to his father's influence. He refused perferential treatment - he wouldn't leave the rest of the guys behind. I think that speaks extremely highly to his character. Because of it, I've always thought of McCain as a very good man. I won't vote for him because I don't agree with his politics but because of his history, I have the utmost respect for him.

Glad to see Hillary doing well. It's way too close to call between Hillary and Obama...it's a great race and will continue to be. I'll be happy with either Clinton or Obama but I'm pulling for Hillary.

And by the way, I know there has been opposition to this discussion. I'm really glad to see everyone stating opinions without slinging insults and getting out-of-control. I'm an eternal optimist but I really believe we, as Americans, can have a reasonable and civil discussion about politics. Frankly, America as a whole NEEDS to be more like the people on this message board. We need to be able to have a conversation without fighting. Kudos to you all! :)

[MJDAVI]

I just joined this forum so I could support AnastasiaBeavrhausen. I, too, am a Republican and a very conservative one. I am also opposed to gay marriage despite having been with the same woman for over 30 years.

So, Anastasia, there are a lot of us out here, we just don't speak up very much, thanks for speaking for us.

[bensongrrl]

I don't think anyone should be critisized for how they vote...is that not the point of a democracy??? If everyone had the same opinions life would be very dull.

You should all be grateful that there is a diverse choice of candidates, over here I haven't the faintest idea how I'd vote if we had an election tomorrow as they are all so dreadfully awful across all parties.

I'm following it all with interest and I'm rooting for Hilary but then I'm a sucker for a woman in a suit! <shallow>

[MJDAVI]

Well, of course you are right.

[maddog]

Fundamental basic human rights FOR ALL!!! Who can deliver that??? And WHy can't they??? Sad, very sad!!!

[tulip]

I just Hope 4 yall that the Election gonna went good and yall get A good president and this faget Bush will go away ...Pray 4yall to have good president :D no metter who win Clinton or Obama ..Hope yall get a good president


hey tolaoi ....please dont use the f word not good not good at all ......this thread should be closed before things move in a bad way ....

[Tolaoi]

I agree, what a horrible thing to say thats not even true about our President whether you like him or not! Then to post it on this site is wrong... :mad: I knew it would come to this (again). Just remember you aren't even from America and perhaps our country has helped other countries in disasters and other things... okay I'm done, just my 2 cents! :)

what ...so U are saying that Ur President Bush is a good president 4yall?? This is what u mean...
and i know im not an american lol wtf is this suposed to mean...i just say what i think its free world ...and i know thatmany ppl think of him like that ...dont U think that he do a many things wrong ???


and of the record I delete the F word ...Happy?

[Tolaoi]

Name one President that satisfied everyone! One. President Bush isn't a "F" and you know that and everyone knows that whether they like him or not. I'm a Republican but I don't like EVERYTHING hes done. Its time for a change. But hes really done a good job with some things and supports the troops and their families, did a hell of a job with 9/11 and I'm sure there are other things. I just hate it when people that don't live here that think they know our system criticize our President. any President needs our support whether we like them or not because its a popular vote and we have to. Its just the American way... not everyone is going to like all the issues... but I feel one of the greatest we had was Ronald Reagan... and I wasn't able to vote in his time because I was too young. But he did amazing things. Like all Presidents so... they are all special in their own way. And I still see the "F" word in the replies... just a wrong thing to say here, thats all were saying... so lets drop it and we all know you didn't mean it. I hope... :)



:rolleyes:So i think U realy dont know what REALY went in 9/11 ...U didnt saw the movies (not the one which was at the cinema) i mean the movies who where only at internet ...BUt ok ...Its free world U think that way i think that way ...and lets live like that

[jlilest]

I don't care much for President Bush, but calling people names is uncalled for.

Criticize what he stands for, believes, or does, but calling him or anyone else names is simply not appropriate and undermines any point you have.

If you have to fall back on name calling to try to make a point, then perhaps you really need to think about what you believe and why and learn how to express yourself in a convincing fashion.

[tulip]

there was no need at all witch ever person you suport .to say the f.word Tolaoi..really bad taste ...you should be ashamed that you even said it in such a mater of fact kinda way or any way for that mater .....like i said before this thread needs to be closed...

[virginia88]

.....like i said before this thread needs to be closed...


I agree!!!! This thread is "dangerous"!!!

[Tolaoi]

LOL yall ..aight Bush is great president...Hope other Yall President be as good as He is


Better:cool:??

[zoeak]

We shouldn't have to close the thread. Tolaoi knows it was wrong, and the word has been removed. Let it be with that, and let the discussion continue to be civil and respectful. We have to be able to conduct a civil and respecful discussion about the things that matter to us.

I don't know specific circumstances here, but I will say that as a non-native English speaker, who occasionally works as a middle school English teacher, it's really difficult to know what words are ok and what words are not. I very very rarely swear in my native language, because those are powerful words, and I can feel them when I use them, however, my language is peppered with English swear words, and whatnot, because there's no power in them. It's a language I've learned as I got older, not grown up with, and as such, there words aren't at all powerful, and I have to constantly watch myself so I don't use them when I speak English. The usage of all these powerful words is very tied to culture, so it's difficult to know unless you live there. My students sound like a mix between Tarantino and Eminem, because to them it's all just words.

Let me illustrate with an excercise I've seen in a book (*stop reading here if you're prone to finding offensive words offensive*):

Circle the correct word:
We're going to Mallorca to enjoy the sandy beaches/bitches.

[virginia88]

I think the thread should not be closed because of tolaoi. :) I think talking about politics (and also religion) is always a bit difficult and dangerous because everybody has an opinion and fights for it and the whole thing could easily get out of control ... that's why I agree with tulip. u know what I mean?


ps.: I love ur avatar zoeak!!!!

[zoeak]

I don't think the thread should be closed at all. Yes, people have strong opinions, but we should still be able to talk about them. Being civil and respectful is important, and learning how to be civil and respectful is even more important. Simply ignoring our differences won't make anything easier in the long run. It might make things easier here on the forum, for a while, but we're never gonna be able to live life avoiding all confrontations. I think this thread has done really well so far, and we should give it a chance.

Thanks! (I love my avatar, too! That picture of them is absolutely adorable!)

[Stephie22]

So I read all the comments on this Thread. Specially the last ones from Tolaoi and I must say it wasnt right to use the F Word even If I dont like Bush at all.

I for myself think Bush is stupid and a War President. He did so many things wrong . He made a lot of mistakes on 9 /11 and couldnt handle the whole Situation. The the War he fights is not for bring freedom to the countrys or find some dangerous Wappens - No , its for Oil. So I`m lucky for the whole World when he isnt President annymore.

I`m for Hillary , I think it would be good for America to have a female President. I mean it works in other countrys ( like mine *:)* ) why shouldnt it be a good thing for America too.......

But I dont have annything against Obama as well. Annyway importent is that Bush isnt President annymore at this time thats all that counts.

*Please dont feel offended annybody , its just my opinion . *:)

Just for the record : AB I dont get what you mean with this sentence ( maybe its my English idk): Just remember you aren't even from America and perhaps our country has helped other countries in disasters and other things...

Dont we Europeans not allowed to have a opinion about America only for the reason America helped us somewhere in the past ? I mean everyone has had the right to have a opinion about everything ,as long as you dont say it in a rude way.

But as I said before maybe I understand your sentence wrong in this case I`m sorry for my last sentence and please dont feel offended its just a discussion.

[Magnolia]

As an American I feel it's important to hear what people from other countries think about our president. You don't have to be American to have an investment in the election. The U.S. presidency affects people all over the world. I'm praying for peace and diplomacy with the next president.

[Stephie22]

As an American I feel it's important to hear what people from other countries think about our president. You don't have to be American to have an investment in the election. The U.S. presidency affects people all over the world. I'm praying for peace and diplomacy with the next president.

thank you , thats what I think too. I mean he or she is the President one of the powerfull Men/Women of the Planet so If he / she does a wrong desiccioun it could be effect not only America it could affect the whole World. Thats why I think all opinions from around the World are importent to hear. :)

[Magnolia]

Exactly Stephie22! Everyone should feel welcome to state their opinions here, American or not.

[Magnolia]

I hope Hillary takes Barack Obama as her Vice President :)
I think many non-Americans are schooled in American politics because the American presidency affects the entire world not just US. I love to hear their opinions.

[Stephie22]

I'm not offended and I am not trying to offend NON Americans... its just people from other countries think they know our process or what we go through as a people in America when in fact you don't, just like I don't understand what it is to live in another country with any President so I would rather not comment on your situation, especially if I don't know anything about it. If I do research, then maybe I could comment, but I am defending the President of my America because he was called a comment that was uncalled for and when someone has to say that it just shows their intelligence. I would love to keep this civil too, so lets move on... I hope Obama rips Hillary apart! But I am voting Republican no matter what... :wallbash:

Your right AB , If you didnt do research than it is wrong to comment on Bush. But I for myself can say I did research cause I`m very interested in American politics. I watched movies and documentarys and spoke to some Americans. So thats why I feel free to comment on this. And you can comment as well on our politics here too.Dont think I think everything our politicians here in germany did is right. No I dont think that everything is right here cause its my country.

But one Question : would you defend your President If he sends your Brother or Sister in a senseless War . And If your brother or sister died in this War ??? Only for the fact that your a American doesnt mean that everything Bush does is right.

To Magnolia : yes your right , I learned a few things about america and their politics in school too. but if your interisted like I am in american politics you read,watch,talk and hear a lot of stuff more.

[Magnolia]

Yes, we (my family) have many friends who live in many different countries and they are well-versed in American politics. They are more well-versed than many Americans I know.

[itrack4u]

I personally believe that we are all her to act respectible and simply discuss each of our opinions. I think we are ALL adults here, and can/will speak responsiblly, treating each others opinions with respect and dignity. Hey, opinions are like.... We ALL have something in common here. POLITICS are NOT it, but we can ALL respecteach other, and just speak opinions. That's ALL we are doing. EnJoY!

Am I Right Ladies?
:wiz_biggrin:

In a perfect world you are right. This site is not perfect.

[tulip]

look for me it was the useing of the f.word that got to me by tolaoi...and she doesnt seem to get it,its such a nasty word theres really no need...:(

[Stephie22]

look for me it was the useing of the f.word that got to me by tolaoi...and she doesnt seem to get it,its such a nasty word theres really no need...:(

yep I hate that Word.

[itrack4u]

I've been monitoring this thread but somehow that word got passed me. I'll be reading more closely:kaffeetrinker_2:

Please be respectful of all members.

Thanks,
Tracky

[Stephie22]

Since I am an only child I don't know how to answer that question, but I have a few friends over there and I support the troops 100%... they have made a difference in Baghdad (wrong spelling I know) and I was against the war for a long time, but we need to be there I feel and I think they are brave people for doing what they do. Very brave and I respect them so much. And most of them WANT TO BE THERE and when they get home they want to go back. Thats my experience anyway with my friends. But I have mixed emotions about it... still. I just mainly support the troops and what they are doing, but it may or may not be mean I support the war, I don't know like I said, its a mixed brew I am dealing with... good question though!


I support the Troups too. Every each and one of them is a Hero I think. They did a amazing Job down there. Even If I`m against the war I must acknowledge what the Man and Women did down there. :)

[misskitty]

I support the Troups too. Every each and one of them is a Hero I think. They did a amazing Job down there. Even If I`m against the war I must acknowledge what the Man and Women did down there. :)

i agree with you 100 percent

[Stephie22]

Yeah thats kind of what I was saying... you took the words right out of my mouth :)


Good . So you , MissKitty and I have the same opinion. :) :thumbup:

See and thats the reason why I think the thread dont need to be closed , cause we are all respectfull human beeings around here and we can talk and discuss about everything in a normal - not rude - way. Of course everyone has a different opinion but thats a good thing I think. :)

[edfan24]

Haha that skit on SNL was fantastic.


Personally, I like Hillary better.

I can't say I know a lot about either of them.. I know they have pretty similar views on many issues.. But I would vote for her.

[misskitty]

Good . So you , MissKitty and I have the same opinion. :) :thumbup:

See and thats the reason why I think the thread dont need to be closed , cause we are all respectfull human beeings around here and we can talk and discuss about everything in a normal - not rude - way. Of course everyone has a different opinion but thats a good thing I think. :)

absolutely i agree 100 percent :) :thumbup:

[jlilest]

Both of who? I'd do some research and find out for sure who you want to vote for... just to be absolutely sure, this is a big election year for everyone included!

True enough, but edfan24 is from Canada, so she can't vote for any of the candidates.

[edfan24]

Both of who? I'd do some research and find out for sure who you want to vote for... just to be absolutely sure, this is a big election year for everyone included!


Oh. Haha. Well. Not only am I under age, but like jlilest said, I'm from Canada, so yeah.. I'm not voting. But if I was able to, I'd vote for Hillary. I just like her better than Barack, even though I'm not fully informed on their platforms.. I just.. Would rather see her as president...

[drummonger]

Hillary is comming here tomorrow to a school that is no more than 5 miles from me. I want to go and hear her speak. The event is free and first come, first serve. The thing is/is I'd have to go by myself. A little nervous, but would like to be a part of history. Nothing like this EVER happens in my small town!!

[misskitty]

Hillary is comming here tomorrow to a school that is no more than 5 miles from me. I want to go and hear her speak. The event is free and first come, first serve. The thing is/is I'd have to go by myself. A little nervous, but would like to be a part of history. Nothing like this EVER happens in my small town!!

yea thats very Interesting i was hoping Hillary would come here to Greenville North Carolina,but thats ok i do hope you go an hear her speak drummonger that would be really cool

[jlilest]

Someone that is very much in the running for a party's nomination is a pretty big deal even if you don't support them.

I'm thinking the first President Bush came to the town that I live in once, a couple of miles at most from my house, to see a rural hospital. I would have loved to see him even though I did not support him. Seeing the president of the United States is a big deal and to me seeing a leading presidential candidate would be a big deal. The president's visit was an invitational only thing, so I did not get to see him.

[drummonger]

Well, I did it! Stood in line over 2 hours, took my seat at the top of the bleachers (back rest), sat there another hour, and Hillary spoke for an hour and shook hands after. It was surreal! The excitement in the air was WAY better than any rock concert I'd ever been to. Met some wonderful people in line. Listened to lots of inetlligent conversation and heard all kinds of opinions and ideas about America. The ONLY bad thing is that it is 8pm now and I have to be at work in for hours to pull a 12 hour shift! Please PRAY FOR ME!
GO HILLARY!!

[jlilest]

Be careful and try to get a little rest if you can. :)

[misskitty]

Well, I did it! Stood in line over 2 hours, took my seat at the top of the bleachers (back rest), sat there another hour, and Hillary spoke for an hour and shook hands after. It was surreal! The excitement in the air was WAY better than any rock concert I'd ever been to. Met some wonderful people in line. Listened to lots of inetlligent conversation and heard all kinds of opinions and ideas about America. The ONLY bad thing is that it is 8pm now and I have to be at work in for hours to pull a 12 hour shift! Please PRAY FOR ME!
GO HILLARY!!

well i am glad you got to go and listen to what Hillary had to say and what not have fun at work

[jlilest]

As soon as you take a side, people that disagree with you start to like you less.

Ellen hasn't really endorsed anyone even though she seems to be leaning a bit toward Senator Clinton.

[jlilest]

Yes she has officially endorsed Hillary which is cool, I remember reading it... but I found this:

http://www.daytimeconfidential.com/2008/02/26/ellen-degeneres-endorsed-hillary-clinton-for-president

She seems to have talked positively about both her and Senator Obama on the show.

She has appeared remotely at events for both of them.

I don't know that I would take what she said as an endorsement.

[jlilest]

That is a point.

It just did not seem like she really did a full scale endorsement, certainly to the scale that Oprah did.

Perhaps the ambiguity of this has helped Ellen, you can look at what she has done and see her as leaning toward the Democrats, but not really picking someone or leaning a bit toward Senator Clinton.

Not that I am saying that she is doing something sneaky, just that she is not a strongly political person.

[jlilest]

There are some things that she cares very deeply about that could be considered political, and I certainly have not heard Senator Obama make as positive a statement on gay rights as Senator Clinton did during her last appearance.

[Tolaoi]

hey Ab ..where did U get the dumb idea about Ellen..choosing Hillary b/c she says about gay rights ...are U even watching ellen show ...b/c she never said anything about Hillary that she prefers...and im 100% sure that Ellen Vote will be not b/c she is gay and she will be going for hillary just b/c she gay and Hillary says that she gonna go for gay rights
LOL gurl get a grip and think or next time watch or hear closly :sfresse:

[jlilest]

I thought my not hearing about that might be more a reflection of my not trying to find out than what his positions were.

Thanks for the link.

---

There seem to be a number of people that have the impression that Ellen has endorsed Senator Clinton, even though I don't think that she has myself...

If you search on degeneres endorse clinton, you get quite a few hits...
Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=degeneres+endorse+clinton&btnG=Google+Search)

[Tolaoi]

Hi! I never said thats the reason why she was for Hillary I just meant that that was probably one of the main reasons she wants Hillary and she has had her on the show 3-4 times and Obama on once and no Republicans... so you do the math. I do watch the show hon... :) I am sorry if you think I am attacking Ellen, but I am not. Shes just not political and its obvious she likes Hillary... thats a no brainer!:cool:

1st of all Obama was once and hillary was 2times Once in her studio and one in the big screen the same time when obama was in the big screen so ..wtf (counting and math :D goes bad i see)
and 2nd ellen had invited the Republicans but they dont gone on:)
and 3rd :irre: Who U gonna vote for AB??

[Tolaoi]

I am voting for McCain! It doesn't matter who is voting for who and James is right... perhaps shes staying under the radar. But we all know she loves Hillary. Which is the best thing about being from the US... freedom of speech! Thank you for being so nice to me!:cool:

Mc Cain Ur Voting lol..U are not happy about Hillary going for Gay rights?? What McCain has better offers than Hillary ..In what McCain stand for..what he has that you choosing him over Hillary..b/c i think gay rights for gay ppl should be very importand ...:dry:
and U say "it doesn't matter who is voting for who" I think its the most importand b/c yall vote 4 president ..What could it be way more importand that the fact ..in who you are voting lol..So what u will just go and mark the vote whatever it goes ..b/c its not importand in who U vote lol


and I try Be always nice to everybody ..but i dont like whe someone argue with someone having no rights ..or having kinda wrong facts :D

[Tolaoi]

Okay, I am not voting for one issue. I do not like Hillarys healthcare plan because it will affect me in a monetary way and its called socialism. Hillary has no experience in my opinion and her recent "stories" that she has "misspoke" does not impress me. I am for gay rights, but I am not voting for Hillary just for that ONE REASON! I vote for McCain because I respect him with his military experience, his background in being a POW, his healthcare plan, and his demeanor... Obama doesn't impress me because he refuses to put his hand on his heart during The Pledge of Alliegance, I also don't like his healthcare plan, he thinks Al Quida is not in Iraq and wants to pull troops but then if Al Quida does "come back" he will send them back... makes no sense to me... and his past with his minister bothers me, but thats not a big big issue... they need to quit mudslinging each other and focus on the facts and the views of the people... I say it doesn't matter who votes for who, it matters that people just vote because its an important election year that can change a lot of issues... both good and bad. And I'm not arguing, you started it with me girl! :)

Aight thats more like it ..now i know why u Vote for Him :D
and just to let U know ..for Hillary and Obama they are both god and bad choice to be honest ...but i think McCain has sadlly for his ppl and U offcourse has not a big chances...to win ..so dont u think its a lost of vote to vote for someone who will not win??

and i dont argue with U ..i just wanna know ur opinion :P

[misskitty]

Bill Clinton is coming to Winterville,North Carolina on Saturday the 12th which is like only 10 mins away from Greenville,North carolina.

[drummonger]

Bill Clinton is coming to Winterville,North Carolina on Saturday the 12th which is like only 10 mins away from Greenville,North carolina.


Are you going to go? It would be a once in a lifetime chance! :D

[misskitty]

Are you going to go? It would be a once in a lifetime chance! :D

i believe the tickets are all sold out for his appearance,i wish i could though :)

[Tysonshadow]

When weighing up who to vote for, what is best for yourself always wins out.

The fact is that gay rights don't affect straight people, so why would they take that into account? I am gay. If I wasn't, gay rights wouldn't be the sealer for my vote!

I voted Labor in the election here last November. And it was due to a number of things. All of them affected ME.

And we finally have a Prime Minister with a backbone!!!:D

[petal]

.......................And we finally have a Prime Minister with a backbone!!!:D

Amen to that Sister!!!

I can only hope that you end up with a decent President in touch with what the people want and need, like we have (so far).

[bludflygrl]

Amen to that Sister!!!

I can only hope that you end up with a decent President in touch with what the people want and need, like we have (so far).

Me too Petal.. I really don't like any of our choices. It's hard to cut through the crap and get to who's telling the truth. I wish we had someone running as an American that just loves their country. Not special interests.I am probably going to vote for McCain (except now I hear he's gonna back the ban on gay marriage, is this true? anyone know?he was against it!)because I am a small business owner. I file as sole proprietor. So dem's call that rich...I assure you I am not,but they'll tax me like I am:mad: I am totally gay.. I don't think any of the candidates really support me.They all change their story depending on who they're talking to. Right now I kinda feel like it's taxation without representation! I'm really stuck!! I either vote for someone that will tax me to death....or I vote for someone that will not let me get married.Plus, there are so many more issues..yuk! Good luck everyone! Happy voting!:p

[isab]

Hello,
I've been reading and watching this site for a long time now.
I decided to join and post a message after reading your comment on the US election.
I am french and therefore, I have no lessons to give to anyone : in 2002, for the last round, we had J. Chirac (who is largely known for his "special way" of handling money, fake employees and so on) and JM Le Pen, the leader of the right extremist party "le front national". And, last but not least, in 2007, french people elected N. Sakorzy, who, for me, in less than a year, has proven that he is the worst president we had since the beginning of the 5th republic in 1958. !!!
However, I had to write something about voting for republicans or for democrats if you are gay.
I cannot understand people who vote for people who don't even consider them worth of protection by the law of the state.
Of course, M. McCain is certainly a very nice man but when you know that he will have to be supported by people who consider gays as a "threat" or as not worth protection, that should make you think twice about voting for him.
And, election is not just about you, it's about what you want for your country in the future. I know it sounds very stupid but think about it (and I'm not a young idealist, I'm 46 years old) :
Do you want your soldiers to continue dying in Irak ?
Do you want people less fortunate than you being left on the side ?
Do you think that wanting social protection for everyone is such a horrible horrible thing because it will cost you money ?
Do you want discrimination being written in your constitution ?
Was the economy in such terrible state when democrats were the majority in parliament ?
Are women rights to be reconsidered ?
And so on...
Think about it : you give the chance to people like Sally Kern to be elected in position where they can hurt you just because you are gay.
Ironic, isn't it ?
I'm not saying that democrats are the solution but at least, they will (mostly) not consider us, as Ellen would say, second class citizen.
I'm a great admirer of the USA for what they can do when they decide to do it (2 WW). And once again, we don't do better here in France !!
Have a nice day to everyone and sorry if this was too long but I had to say it.

[bludflygrl]

Do a search on Google or check out his website... he is against gay marriages...

https://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

Thanks for the link AB.UUUGHHHH. He voted against the ban before! I am off to buy him a beach towel to match his flip flops! I thought he was more moderate. He has changed on several issues! I guess to fire up the right wingers!Next he'll want to raise taxes!:mad:That's the only thing I like about him now, and his health care plan I guess.CRAP. Now what ? He wasn't my first choice to begin with!
ISAB, I don't want to offend you by what I'm about to say:o....However, the people of your country elected Sarkozy because you had the highest unemployment rate of any major country in the world! Plus, a lot of your socialist leaders were found to be corrupt! Oil for food scandal for starters. I know you did say you're country isn't much better. Sadly I agree.Socialism will ruin an economy. I work far too hard to just turn my money over to the gov't. They need to better manage the money they're already getting!!We need to improve our health care systems granted, but universal health care is not the answer! It will screw over the people who are being cared for now. As for us getting involved in wars well, how is Normandy these days? What would have happened if we just left or didn't show up at all. We lost almost half as many there,than this whole Iraq war.Not to mention the over 5000 injured. I'm not condoning the war in Iraq..So i don't want to argue why we're there.THere is no perfect gov't. Who knows what we'll end up with. The issues are lost in the mud.

[isab]

This is why I don't like posting things especially since it's not in my own language. I'm always afraid someone will misunderstand what I'm trying to say.
So let me clarify a few things : France is a strange country, that's for sure and it's not because a party calls itself socialist that it is really socialist.
Let me correct also this : France elected N. Sakorzy in 2007 as president but he was one of the most important minister (economy and police) in the government for the previous 5 years...
So if unemployement was the main reason, then we are a country of masochists (which is probably true) to elect the same people who brought us there.
He was elected because he promised everything to everyone and now french people are disapointed ! Big surprise !!
As for the health system, instead of giving your money to the government, you're giving it to private companies who make billions of dollars of benefit on your health.
Regarding the war in Iraq, it's not for me to judge.
I was against it but I was for the war in Afghanistan because I really thought it was justified.
And as I was saying in my first message, I love the US especially for what they did during the 2 world wars (2 ww) for us.
I come from the north of France where we have so many world war one and world war two cemeteries and what we call "le monument canadien". It is an amazing monument with engraved the names of the thousand of soldiers killed during battles around my hometown. I know that it is pretty unknown but it is as gripping as the Normandy sites (if you have five minutes, search it on the internet).
All I'm saying is that being gay (and/or a woman) isn't an easy thing in our world and since we have the right to vote freely, we should take the responsibilities that go with this right.
End of my 2 very long cents. I won't comment your elections anymore.
For me, it's 2 am so : Good night everybody !!!

[bludflygrl]

Isab, feel free to post. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you shouldn't. I bet there are many here that do agree with you. You seem like a good person . I just disagree with you in the politics.That's all:) I didn't misunderstand what you were saying. All politicians promise things.That's why I vote on more than one issue. Gay issues are very important to me, however there are many others that are as well. Let's agree to disagree ok.You've posted twice now, I hope you continue. I may learn something from you! I'm glad you care about what goes on in the world;)

AB here's what I was referring to on McCain and flipping: www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/samesex.marriage/index.html - 53k -
Of course he turned around and voted against extending hate crimes to include sexual orientation!

[chinook]

Me too Petal.. I really don't like any of our choices. It's hard to cut through the crap and get to who's telling the truth. I wish we had someone running as an American that just loves their country. Not special interests.I am probably going to vote for McCain (except now I hear he's gonna back the ban on gay marriage, is this true? anyone know?he was against it!)because I am a small business owner. I file as sole proprietor. So dem's call that rich...I assure you I am not,but they'll tax me like I am:mad: I am totally gay.. I don't think any of the candidates really support me.They all change their story depending on who they're talking to. Right now I kinda feel like it's taxation without representation! I'm really stuck!! I either vote for someone that will tax me to death....or I vote for someone that will not let me get married.Plus, there are so many more issues..yuk! Good luck everyone! Happy voting!:p
move to canada we love everyone:D:)

[HeavensAngel332]

http://images.cafepress.com/image/16040257_400x400.jpg

:D

[3llen]

move to canada we love everyone:D:)
tres true;):p. (accent needed lol):p

[3llen]

http://images.cafepress.com/image/16040257_400x400.jpg

:D
me too! :p

[Tysonshadow]

Peace!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zsuzsu/mccain.jpg

:p We had Kevin 07!!!! :p

[misskitty]

http://images.cafepress.com/image/16040257_400x400.jpg


:D

i do to I think that if she does become president that she would be a awesome president and she would get things done :)

[vanblue2003]

http://images.cafepress.com/image/16040257_400x400.jpg

:D

i plan on voting for her in november.

:D

[irock4u]

of all of the republicans i was glad mccain received the nomination...DEMOCRATES are sure to WIN the election now...:D

[bludflygrl]

of all of the republicans i was glad mccain received the nomination...DEMOCRATES are sure to WIN the election now...:D

Irock... you're the best:p

[irock4u]

of all of them i did like mccain the best but the typical right winged republican doesnt so that is in my favor or the dem party favor

LOL...I sound prejudice:p of all of THEM... lol

[misskitty]

Okay did you all from North Carolina and Indiana go vote today? Hope so, looks like its close right now!:kaffeetrinker_2:

i went and voted today :) I voted for Hillary,it looks as though Hillary is leading in North carolina and she is very close in Indiana. Obama is the projected winner here in North Carolina

[jelkins]

Okay did you all from North Carolina and Indiana go vote today? Hope so, looks like its close right now!:kaffeetrinker_2:

Yep, I voted today! I was up at 6 am this morning, ready to go.
My problem with the democratic nominees is...I'm confident in both candidates and wish I could vote for both of them! I came upon a final decision, because I had to, but I will honestly be happy with either Clinton or Obama.
As for McCain, I don't see him having a chance in hell against either Clinton or Obama. Anyone walking in the footsteps of George W. Bush is walking a very crooked and unstable line, in my opinion. Looks like most Americans have finally woken up to that reality.

[jelkins]

I honestly want to keep this civil but I have a simple and direct question for those of you who are planning on voting for McCain.

Why? After the past eight years, why are you planning on voting for McCain?

[3llen]

i'd really like hillary to win. but then again i don't guess my opinion really counts lol.. :p but i have respect for the other two candidates also...

[DGenX]

wonder what's all this CHANGE Obama is singin to? Anyone got a clue? :dry:

[jlilest]

Maybe Senator Clinton knows. :uglyconf:

[reflection]

i'd really like hillary to win. but then again i don't guess my opinion really counts lol.. :p but i have respect for the other two candidates also...

Same with me!

[Stephie22]

I watched the News today morning and they sad that Clinton won the last votes in Indiana and North Carolina.

Now they say nobody neither than Obama or Clinton can reach the needed votes. So the Deligated must choose a candidate.

Clinton has 1668 votes and Obama 1886 votes ( that me be not the totally right numbers but they are close ).

So they think that Hillarry will go from herself and let Obama win. Or the Deligated will choose Obama at the winner for the opponent. So I think Hillarry isnt really in the race annymore , which is sad cause I really like to see her as a President.

But for McCain , I hope he doesnt get President . Cause one Republican for the last eight years is really enough.

I definetly wanne see a Democrate President ....:)

[DGenX]

Cause one Republican for the last eight years is really enough.

father then son vetoed for war :kaffeetrinker_2:. there no other 'bushes' around is there ?:dry:

[Stephie22]

father then son vetoed for war :kaffeetrinker_2:. there no other 'bushes' around is there ?:dry:

Yeah but i dont like the Republicans in generell ( Susan from this Forum isnt one of them that I dont like , she is one of a kind .). McCain said he doesnt wanne pull out the troops . And thats one thing which I dont can accept. Arent there enough dead soldiers .....

[DGenX]

Arent there enough dead soldiers .....

prob not enuff dead Iraqis/Afghans ......
mothers,fathers,sons,daughters,husbands,wives,cous ins,brothers,sisters, grandparents.....:kaffeetrinker_2:

[Stephie22]

prob not enuff dead Iraqis/Afghans ......
mothers,fathers,sons,daughters,husbands,wives,cous ins,brothers,sisters, grandparents.....:kaffeetrinker_2:

yes not "only" enough dead soldiers. There are enough dead innocent Iraqia / Afghans......

[irock4u]

Hillary, is no Al Gore she will go down swinging til the end...

As for McCain he is not a hard core republican so i thought he was the best of all the Republicans out there. I am tired of the Republican party though.

what scares me most about McCain is his AGE and who will be his running mate since he is sooooooooo OLD the VP may see the presidency if Mc Cain was to unfortunatly win.

[jlilest]

I watched the News today morning and they sad that Clinton won the last votes in Indiana and North Carolina.

Senator Obama won in North Carolina, Senator Clinton won in Indiana.

Because of the way delegates are given out in the races, neither has been able to win based on the delegates they could win from the votes for some time.

The so called super delegates have been the ones that will decide the race for a while.

[jupiterpro]

If I can have a say in the process of the election, I think letting the super delegates decide who to get nominated is totally unfair.:mad:

[Stephie22]

Senator Obama won in North Carolina, Senator Clinton won in Indiana.

Because of the way delegates are given out in the races, neither has been able to win based on the delegates they could win from the votes for some time.

The so called super delegates have been the ones that will decide the race for a while.

Yeah you right James. I just read it wrong.

[Stephie22]

If I can have a say in the process of the election, I think letting the super delegates decide who to get nominated is totally unfair.:mad:

Yes your right . I think it not fair too. But as long as Mc Cain doesnt get the President of the USA , its fine with me. Also If I would love to see a Women in the White House.

[jlilest]

If I can have a say in the process of the election, I think letting the super delegates decide who to get nominated is totally unfair.:mad:

In a way the super delegate issue exists because the Democratic nomination process was designed to be, perhaps, too fair.

The proportional distribution of delegates with each win means that a close election is a close election where a winner takes all in a state magnifies differences so that a close election doesn't seem so close and you end up with a clear winner fairly quickly.

[Stephie22]

The Superdelegates were inspired by the Democratic party.... it was their thing. They don't have that with the Republican party.

About the war, I have mixed feelings but we do need to be there due to Al Quida and Obama says they don't even exist in the ME. Obama said they would do immediate withdrawal with troops if he becomes President (January 2009), but then when asked if Al Quida "returns" or "is present", he will send troops back... but hes in complete denial about Al Quida being present in Iraq. Just the other day, Al Quida attacked and killed some civilians and soldiers. Now Iran wants to make nuclear weapons, apparently helped Syria make a compound to make nuclear weapons but all of a sudden it "disappeared", then theres North Korea and their nuclear weapons. We have troops everywhere and we need them there. Otherwise, we are doomed. There are A LOT OF PEOPLE out there that hate America and want us dead! I will give Hilary credit that she does know a little more than Obama with foreign affairs...

Just my 2 cents, but ya'll know this is just an opinion from the only Republican on the site. *runs for cover*

Just hate me for something else!:uglyconf:

I dont agree with your opinion about the war. But the People out there does not only hate America , they hate the whole western world.

And also If I disagree with you Susan doesnt mean I hate or dont like you. I think your a great person. And everyone has there right of their own opinion. :)

[jjjoan]

If I can have a say in the process of the election, I think letting the super delegates decide who to get nominated is totally unfair.:mad:
well i think is good for Democratic party. i don't think Obama can bet Republican party. i'll like to see US get a woman to run the white house.

[jlilest]

It sounds like to me that Senator Clinton is very close to out of the running.
She has to convince super delegates to go for her if she is going to win and there might be quite a few people upset since Senator Obama seems to have won more votes than she did, depending on what and how you count it.

[bludflygrl]

It sounds like to me that Senator Clinton is very close to out of the running.
She has to convince super delegates to go for her if she is going to win and there might be quite a few people upset since Senator Obama seems to have won more votes than she did, depending on what and how you count it.

I fear that if Hillary persuades the Supers, and they sway her way, there will be mass rioting. I don't want to sound negative, but I think it's a hornets nest! I just they would have a vote on the same day Nationally, and be done with it! I don't understand the need for the delegates and super delegates!

P.S. to AB...you are not the only republican on this forum....there is another:scoolblue:

[drummonger]

I'm depressed. I really hoped that Hillary could have pulled this one off. Either way, as long as we don't put ANOTHER REPUBLICAN in power. I WILL MOVE TO CANADA!
:confused:

[jlilest]

Delegates are probably a hold over from a time when communication was harder.

It is also likely a safety measure in case the parties decide that the voters didn't know what they were doing. Something that I expect is obsolete these days, since the ones selected by voters are supposed to be committed to vote, at least on the initial ballots, the way the voters voted.

[Stephie22]

Wow, a huge spider just walked across my computer screen as I was typing that! Hes okay, just walked behind the screen!

(I don't kill spiders) See I'm weird!:blink:[/quote]

You dont kill spiders.....:confused:....ok thats weird ....LOL :D

[dks]

I'm depressed. I really hoped that Hillary could have pulled this one off. Either way, as long as we don't put ANOTHER REPUBLICAN in power. I WILL MOVE TO CANADA!
:confused:

Can I come? (lol sorry to interrupt just couldn't resist).

[oldie51]

If ya'll think super delegates are weird, how about the electoral college? (why is it a college anyway--it should be a university by now) Like James said, that's another hold-over from the old days when communication was terrible.

[jlilest]

Isn't that so the electors can get a higher paying job, you know, being college educated. :uglyconf:

* crickets *

No more election humor, I promise. :)

[chinook]

I'm depressed. I really hoped that Hillary could have pulled this one off. Either way, as long as we don't put ANOTHER REPUBLICAN in power. I WILL MOVE TO CANADA!
:confused:
lots of room in canada and no republicans or democrates either lmao just rednecks

[drummonger]

:plots of room in canada and no republicans or democrates either lmao just rednecks


I thought all the rednecks were here in the south?:p

[chinook]

nope we have plenty of rednecks here too lol

[irock4u]

P.S. to AB...you are not the only republican on this forum....there is another:scoolblue:


Freaking gay republican:p still havent looked up libertarian:confused:

I would vote for mccain over obama so maybe i am not as much of a democrate.:o

[bludflygrl]

Freaking gay republican:p still havent looked up libertarian:confused:

I would vote for mccain over obama so maybe i am not as much of a democrate.:o

Well, basically a libraterian is someone that's for less government. Usually, they are for the "fair tax " plan.which I am 110% for, they believe that EVERYONE is covered by the constitution, therefore, they don't believe in legislating from the bench. That's the very basics. I consider myself to be Libraterian, although I can't spell it :p. I will be voting for McCain..Which in my opinion, is almost like voting Dem!. I think he is just talking it up to the repubs. to get the vote. He voted against the ban on gay marriage, regardless of what they're saying now. I watch fox news, but i did see something on CNN online, about his stance on Gay issues, abortion, immigration, and health care. There is a reason right wingers don't like him!! So he might not be that bad. Before I said I didn't know that much about Obama, well what i've learned since then, is :eek:...I 'm not even going near the racial stuff..His politics, and the way he voted is plenty! That is when he actually took a stand, and didn't vote "PRESENT". He knew he would be running for PREZ., and wanted to be able to run on "CHANGE"..Well, change can go either way guys. He's only been a Sen. for a couple years. I don't think America really cares that he is black, that doesn't affect my vote, he's waaay left.
Anyways, please look into both candidates. I know Hillary says she's not out, but I fear she is..If we had a Dem. i would rather it be her. I also think McCain, is gonna give Obama a spanking in the elections. People are going to cross party lines to vote for him because he is close to the middle. Please pay close attention to the events coming up. I think and hope that we all will vote for, what's best for America overall..not just one or two issues. The world is in a very critical time. I don't know if anyone else has realized this, but at two major countries who's gov'ts were anti-American have recently elect pro American Leaders.WE aren't all bad in the world. I'm getting tired of people making it seem bad to be an American. Just my three cents!

[chinook]

i dont think all americans are bad...i know a few who are really great:D. If you cant love your own country...then ur in the wrong country. I am damn proud to be a Canadian. Although Im eligiable to vote I have been watching the presidential race. Is it just me or is this election maybe one of the most important elections held in a long time or has the press just blown it up so much. I cant remember it ever being this massive. Maybe its because there is a woman running and a black man. I still dont understand all the rules and regulations of the American voting process but Im learning, however it sems much more simple the way we do it in Canada. But then Canada doesn't like to ruffle any feathers, I guess we are the new Switzerland of the 21 century, we love everyone.

[jelkins]

i dont think all americans are bad...i know a few who are really great:D. If you cant love your own country...then ur in the wrong country. I am damn proud to be a Canadian. Although Im eligiable to vote I have been watching the presidential race. Is it just me or is this election maybe one of the most important elections held in a long time or has the press just blown it up so much. I cant remember it ever being this massive. Maybe its because there is a woman running and a black man. I still dont understand all the rules and regulations of the American voting process but Im learning, however it sems much more simple the way we do it in Canada. But then Canada doesn't like to ruffle any feathers, I guess we are the new Switzerland of the 21 century, we love everyone.

I don't know if this election is more important than the last one. It's definitely more exciting. 2004 was a very important election. Just think of how different things may have been, had Bush not been given a second term in which to screw things up even worse than he already had.
Democrats dropped the ball in 2004, big time. We had John Kerry as a nominee (ugh.) I was depressed for months after the election of 2004. But I'm thinking the past 8 years of Republicans running this country into the ground is going to help immensely in getting a Democrat elected in 2008.
In any case, it's very exciting for Democrats to have two great candidates to choose from this time. And whoever the Democratic nominee turns out to be, he/she will very likely be the next President.

[jlilest]

That is the life of someone campaigning, giving essentially the same speech over and over again. :uglyconf:

Just think of the reporters that have to listen to it several times a day. :astonished:

[dks]

nope we have plenty of rednecks here too lol

I still intend to move there *jumps oversea* lol

[jelkins]

Just curious, what did Bush screw up that Clinton DIDN'T already? aka Osama Bin Ladin? What happened there? Affair in the White House... and who knows how many others happened since he did it the entire time he was governor. I just want to know with your opinion why you feel Bush screwed things up... I may agree with you, I may not, just wondering.
OK. I appreciate what you're saying and I hope to answer you question, but this is going to be long-winded so I apologize in advance.
I know where to start this list but I'm not sure I have time to end it. And for the record, when I think about how angry I am over what Bush has done to my country in the past 8 years, I'm not just angry for myself. I'm angry for my 7 neices and nephews, who'll inherit this mess. I'm angry for my parents, particularly my dad who is Vietnam Vet and can't even speak about the disaster Bush has created in Iraq. I'm angry for my fellow citizens in this country and the rest of the world, because it didn't have to end up this way.
Just a few things Bush has screwed up that Clinton had nothing to do with:

Iraq - Obviously. Attacking the Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan was one thing - a justified act. But the war in Iraq was unjustified to begin with, brought about by lies told to us by Bush and his administration. Besides that, the war in Iraq was supposed to be a quick and decisive victory. Remember that? It has now cost us over $500 billion and continues to suck millions every DAY out of our already empty pockets. The people Bush brought "freedom" and "democracy" to are now totally dependent upon American blood and money to "stabilize" their country. Meanwhile, Iran is opportunistically lurking in the periphery.

The Economy - From tax cuts for the rich to gas prices to the housing foreclosure crises to unemployment, Bush has sacrificed us all in order to pay for his war. The United States of America is WELL beyond broke. During his first term, Bush doubled our national debt (which is astounding since Clinton left us with a surplus.) I haven't looked at the numbers lately because, frankly, I'm too scared to. Last time I checked, our federal deficit was nearly a trillion dollars. My brain can't even comprehend the numbers. Meanwhile, Bush and his buddies in corporate America (namely, oil companies) are making record profits. The thing that bothers me more than us getting screwed is that they're screwing the rest of the world too and we, the American people, get the blame.

Hurricane Katrina - Despite the fact that Bush didn't even seem to know about this monstrous storm until a week after it virtually wiped New Orleans, a major American city, off the face of the planet, he never really did anything in response. Among the many, many blunders made throughout this crisis, those awesome trailers FEMA set the vicitims up with were placed in flood zones and have recently been proven to contain levels of toxins up to 75 times the recommended levels for government workers. And what has our gov't done to help rebuild NOLA? Anything?

Social Programs - While most Americans can't afford medical insurance, Bush put through a budget to cut billions from domestic social programs, including health care for middle and lower class workers and the elderly. The administration is all about "No Child Left Behind," its "faith-based" programs, which are all about the further stratification of American society - to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

As far as affairs in the White House go, I simply don't care. As long as the President does his job and does right by the American people, it doesn't matter to me who he's messing around with. Having said that, if Hillary gets elected, I hope she has several bronzed and scantilly-clad young boy toys mincing about the Oval Office. She deserves it!

[irock4u]

Bad: :(
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p184/petal_bucket/computerwar.gif



Good: :)
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p184/petal_bucket/hugehugs1.gif


LMFAO!!! I just noticed this



I hope you all play nice. Saying who you are for part which candidate you like and all not a problem what becomes the problem is disussing the ISSUES :uglyconf:

This is why i dont discuss my opinion on being in Iraq in the forum...I discuss my being here just not my opinion on Iraq because not unless you are over here you just dont know...oooops was that an opinion:astonished: i hope not...

[xmaryx]

does anyone know what Jon Stewart said in his interveiw with Hilary Clinton last night, it was being played constantly on BBC News 24 in my office but the sound was off as were the subtitles, and its not up on his website yet. does anyone know...? it must have been interesting for it to be shown on the BBC...

[jlilest]

I found a story on it in the L.A. Times...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-trailstewart6-2008jun06,0,4386606.story]LA Times

[xmaryx]

Hey James, thanks for thats. now i understand, i wonder why the BBC was showing it though, obviously nothing better to show at 3am!!!

[jlilest]

I do like the humor of it though. :uglyconf:

[bludflygrl]

Ok. I know the majority of you here are voting for Obama. So, please don't be pissed at me.
It's the little things in life that show people how you really are! After 9/11 the Barrak Obama would not wear his Senate flag pin. People made comments to him about it, he refused to wear it. Well, lo and behold, now that he has the nod and people are questioning him because of negative comments he and his wife have made about white people and our country, there is a little flag pin on his la pell (?SP).He is trying to win over the Independents and conservative Democrats that might go for McCain. :mad:I am sorry, but to me it's a little too late. It's insulting. He wouldn't wear the flag pin to honor fallen Americans, but he'll wear it to get votes!!
Many of you are probably going, wtf? who cares? It's just a pin! It isn't really the pin I am talking about. To me, it says a lot about him! I think he's a phony!! There is so much about him coming out. Plus he has no voting record. He only seems to vote "present". Could anyone give me one actual political policy he has participated in?? He is against gay marriage, he said marriage was between a man and woman. So, what does he really have to offer? DON"T SAY CHANGE!!! Change can go either way. I am not being a smart ass when I ask this. I just would like to know why people would vote for a man, that won't meet with our soldiers or generals, but will meet with dictators? He has no foreign policy experience, he's already pissed off Isreal and Pakistan. Now wears his happy little flag pin! He whines when you ask him anything. He is great with speeches, but ask the man a real question and he sputters more than Bush!! I went online trying to find things that he has accomplished as a JUNIOR senator...nothing. Can someone please tell me one thing Obama has done? I am seriously asking. Not trying to be rude or insulting to those of you voting for him. I just saw the little pin, and it pissed me off! :mad_ranting:
The thought of him being President worries me. I want to rest easy tonight, cause I have feeling he is gonna win. Here's an article I read http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid44651.asp

[irock4u]

I totally agree with you blu, i stated in a previous post that if Hilary did not get the nomination i would vote for McCain. There is just someting wrong with that man. Makes me rethink the bible and the end of the world of how the devil will come loved and adored then true colors will come...

[bludflygrl]

I totally agree with you blu, i stated in a previous post that if Hilary did not get the nomination i would vote for McCain. There is just someting wrong with that man. Makes me rethink the bible and the end of the world of how the devil will come loved and adored then true colors will come...

Well, Rocky, "I can't believe a gay person would vote repub" I think I quoted you right!?!:D
Didn't we bet on that one??? I think it was a very expensive bet!:p
Seriously though, I agree with what you said.
Something else... Do you remember Obama crying because people were tying him to Rev. Wright? Saying that he shouldn't be judged by the words and actions of someone else :eek:
Now look at him trying to link McCain to Bush!! McCain has opposed Bush on a lot of issues. :scoolblue:

[irock4u]

Yes Blu bear, you are correct i did say that and followed up later with my above statement i would vote for McCain. I like McCain more than the others but if Hilary would have sealed the nomination i would have voted for her. You are absolutely correct McCain did go against bush on many issues until it was time for him to start his nomination process then him and bush were best buds all the sudden. I dont trust any them not to put their interests 1st just the way it goes. I have a good idea about them all. Obama is excellent in speaches Hilary could not out speach the man. you are right ask him something directly and he is baffled. and wont visit troops:wallbash::d_mad::mad_ranting: that is by far the worst for a future Commander in Chief. I have no respect for that man. Had to borrow angry smilie...

Bet what bet???LOL

[bludflygrl]

Yes Blu bear, you are correct i did say that and followed up later with my above statement i would vote for McCain. I like McCain more than the others but if Hilary would have sealed the nomination i would have voted for her. You are absolutely correct McCain did go against bush on many issues until it was time for him to start his nomination process then him and bush were best buds all the sudden. I dont trust any them not to put their interests 1st just the way it goes. I have a good idea about them all. Obama is excellent in speaches Hilary could not out speach the man. you are right ask him something directly and he is baffled. and wont visit troops:wallbash::d_mad::mad_ranting: that is by far the worst for a future Commander in Chief. I have no respect for that man. Had to borrow angry smilie...

Bet what bet???LOL
We bet a HUGE steak dinner with drinks! Don't you remember?? Of course our bet for a someone and my show is still pending:p so, by tomorrow night, you will either owe me two steak dinners and drinks,or we go Dutch:D

Don't worry Obama put on his pin. It won't be long before the hypocrite goes to visit the troops in Iraq!!! I say by September...wanna bet???:D

[jlilest]

For what it's worth, voting present was apparently a tactic being used in the Illinois legislature. It may well not have anything to do with his position on an issue, but rather on what was needed to get the legislation through or part of an ongoing battle with the other side on an issue.

Parliamentary maneuvering can be rather strange at times.

[bludflygrl]

For what it's worth, voting present was apparently a tactic being used in the Illinois legislature. It may well not have anything to do with his position on an issue, but rather on what was needed to get the legislation through or part of an ongoing battle with the other side on an issue.

Parliamentary maneuvering can be rather strange at times.

I understand your point, but this little excerpt is how I feel about it. Because it takes affirmative votes to pass legislation in the Illinois Senate, a "present" vote is tantamount to a "no" vote. A "present" vote is generally used to provide political cover for legislators who don't want to be on the record against a bill that they oppose. Of course, Obama isn't the first or only Illinois state senator to vote "present," but he is the only one running for President of the United States. Real Clear Politics, author Nathanial Gonzoles

I like people that take a stand. Not cave into politics! I realize they all do it, however, most don't vote present on major policy issues. When they do, it's usually cause they are trying to get votes,and don't wanna rock the boat! Or don't want to lose the side $$$$$$ lobbyists are paying them!! McCAin has a strong voting record. I invite people to take a look. :)

Of course I am not digging that he's sliding right a little. :(
I am strickly speaking on voting records. When I am talking about taking a stand. Not campaign trail blurbs.

[jlilest]

I know very little about the situations that he voted present on.

I know about a situation where, I think, Senator Bob Dole had voted for a bill in the senate and then voted to reconsider it. It did not represent him having it both ways, rather it was a means of keeping the bill alive till it could be voted on again, with the chance that his side could get more votes to get the bill passed.

[bludflygrl]

I know very little about the situations that he voted present on.

I know about a situation where, I think, Senator Bob Dole had voted for a bill in the senate and then voted to reconsider it. It did not represent him having it both ways, rather it was a means of keeping the bill alive till it could be voted on again, with the chance that his side could get more votes to get the bill passed.

Voting that way once or twice even three times. Obama has done it 130 TIMES:wallbash: He is only a JUNIOR senator. I am not trying to argue with you James. I hope you don't mind me replying. I just wish we had a little more about him to go on..He is a wild card!

[jlilest]

I know, I just wanted to point out that things can be taken out of context. I am not accusing you of that or anything else by the way.

Sometimes things like that are a lot more complicated than they seem and are sometimes reported on in a way that might not be fair or particularly accurate.

Considering my ignorance on the subject, I think if I really feel compelled to go on, I will do some actual research. :uglyconf:

[bludflygrl]

I know, I just wanted to point out that things can be taken out of context. I am not accusing you of that or anything else by the way.

Sometimes things like that are a lot more complicated than they seem and are sometimes reported on in a way that might not be fair or particularly accurate.

Considering my ignorance on the subject, I think if I really feel compelled to go on, I will do some actual research. :uglyconf:

I don't think your ignorant on this subject at all:) You offer another perspective,. I actually agree with you, that Senators and members of Congress are nudged to vote a certain way. They almost have to go along party lines. Most will vote one way or the other. If a present vote is the same as a no vote. Why not just vote no??...i know why lol:D

Nice back and forth James!! I will leave you alone now.. I am sure there are far more interesting things you could research!!:p Hmmm...what could they be??? :wacko::D

[Mushanga]

I hope Obama will be the next US president and that he is going to do what he is promising.

[jlilest]

Personally I think it is silly that people are expected to wear a flag pin or have a flag on their car or whatever to show that they are a proud American.

What about past presidents or members of congress that didn't wear such pins?

Does that mean that they were not proud of their country?

There are dozens of causes that have various pins that are meant to show support of them. Does not wearing one mean you don't support their cause?

I expect there are plenty of politicians and ordinary people that wear various pins because they want to fit in with their peers. That is a rather poor reason to do so, but lots of people do it.

If they are worn because the person believes in what they symbolize and feel it is important to do so, then I say that is a good thing.

I just don't see why it is so important if someone wears some specific symbol.

[jlilest]

I don't have a problem with what it is supposed to symbolize.

My problem is using it a test of someone's patriotism or support of something. Wearing it might say that they are standing together with the country. It could also mean that they are trying to appeal to someone or be more popular. It could be a sign of someone just going along with the crowd and doing what is popular. Not doing it could just be an attempt to say, I don't do things just because they are popular. Wearing or not wearing a pin can both be good or bad regardless of what the pin is supposed to mean.

I think it would be better to look at what someone does or doesn't do, supports or doesn't support, fights for or against.

If you see wearing a pin as being important, then it is important to you. I just don't see it that way.

[bludflygrl]

I don't have a problem with what it is supposed to symbolize.

My problem is using it a test of someone's patriotism or support of something. Wearing it might say that they are standing together with the country. It could also mean that they are trying to appeal to someone or be more popular. It could be a sign of someone just going along with the crowd and doing what is popular. Not doing it could just be an attempt to say, I don't do things just because they are popular. Wearing or not wearing a pin can both be good or bad regardless of what the pin is supposed to mean.

I think it would be better to look at what someone does or doesn't do, supports or doesn't support, fights for or against.

If you see wearing a pin as being important, then it is important to you. I just don't see it that way.

James, maybe you should be asking why Obama chooses to wear the pin now?? I had a feeling my point would be missed! If he didn't wear one before, he shouldn't wear one now! To me it's hypocritical!! I am not voting for him whether he wears one or not! Just one more front he is putting up!!
It really isn't about the pin with me. It's what it represents!!

[jlilest]

I think that might well be covered in what I said in terms of doing something to get support.

I do think that does make you wonder why he is wearing it now.

You certainly have a point about that. I certainly do understand having a problem with someone giving into the popular or politically expedient thing.

Whatever his problems though, I still think a Democratic president would be better than a Republican one. That is pretty much the choice that there is.

It is just that the general fuss over symbols distracts from the substance.

I just think there should be more concern with what their positions on things have been and what policies they advocate for and not worry so much about the symbolic things. I find being concerned about why he started wearing the pin a much more significant issue than his originally not doing so. Why they do and say things to me is important.

[isab]

Hello,

it's funny how little things can make you look bad like that little pin...

If I were an American, I would have chosen Hillary Clinton. No doubt about it.

What bring him where he is now is mainly due to his an his team ability to use the media. They courted journalists from newspaper, tv, radio. And it worked. Until now !!

Just like The Bush administration did for the war in Iraq with those "embedded journalists". (Just for the record : it is well documented now that Al-Qeida was not in Iraq when the war began but that's another story).

Mrs Clinton could'nt compete with him because anything she said was twisted so that she would look bad compared to M. Obama.

Even in France, he is presented as the best thing that could happened to the USA and the world. I was amazed to see Newspapers presenting the Clintons as racists !!!

As you may have understand from what I'm trying to say : I don't like him but hey, I still persist, why would I vote for someone who will use all the power of the conservatives to get elected and then have to repay them with making us gay people less than a citizen. No Mac Cain for me !

By the way, I've noticed something in France in the studies that were made during the election last year and I was wondering if you had noticed it also in the studies in the USA : that women are more likely to vote for a man than for a woman ?
I watched CNN during the primaries and got the feeling that it was the same but CNN ain't exactly the best source of information !! But when you look at some studies, you notice that blacks vote for blacks, hispanics for hispanics, asians for asians, men for men but women ?

Just a question !!
ISA

[irock4u]

We bet a HUGE steak dinner with drinks! Don't you remember?? Of course our bet for a someone and my show is still pending so, by tomorrow night, you will either owe me two steak dinners and drinks,or we go Dutch

Don't worry Obama put on his pin. It won't be long before the hypocrite goes to visit the troops in Iraq!!! I say by September...wanna bet???

I always pay my dues but everytime a bet was mentioned i never bet you which i would have won twice now if i did. So, isnt this the 1st bet:confused: I always pay my dues so if you win:d_biglaugh: i pay up in steak and drinks...I will win this one so open your wallet.:p

Yeah, if he was against the lapel pin he should still be against wearing it. Be a man of your own beliefs and principles before you start trying to represent me and my beliefs in the USA.

Reminds me... I met some terrific soldiers in my traveling today i wish i had my camera the one time i dont travel with it:( too bad Senator Obama hasnt met any terrific soldiers. Does he realize the President is the Commander in Chief did anyone give the man a clue yet that he will be over the entire Military:d_eek::d_frown::d_huh::d_unsure: not good :d_no:

LOL!!! sorry all i got a bit carried away...this is just frustrating

isab: They courted journalists from newspaper, tv, radio.

Totally, there is no unbought journalist they have agendas journalist no longer report the news they offer OPINIONS!!! This goes against everything i thought journalism was reporting the new sticking to the facts not twisting. our major Networks in the USA are mainly righted winged especially FOX NEW GZZZZZZZZZ Gimme a Break!!! like that is real reporting they might as well have the leaders of the Rep Parties for the Senate and Congress (names skip me) reporting the so called news.

[jlilest]

Something to consider is that journalism being unbiased is a fairly recent thing.

During President Lincoln's time newspapers were very much behind a particular party. There are still ghosts of this in newspapers with democrat or republican in their names.

That is not to say that I think being partisan is a good thing for a newspaper or other news organization.

I think being fair is a good thing and it should be a goal.

[irock4u]

Yeah, i have a feeling journalist back in the day had agendas as well but it goes against their idealogy of what journalists themselves say what a journalist is...

[jlilest]

I think that being fair and as unbiased as possible is a good thing.

The reality may be that it is hard to impossible to be truly unbiased since everyone has opinions and beliefs that impact their view of things.

Perhaps being upfront with your biases is not an unreasonable alternative.

I don't watch FOX news, but I had the impression that they didn't hide what side of things that they were on.

Senator Clinton may have recently faced lots of questions on when she was going to drop out of the election, but Senator Obama was declared the loser by a lot of news organizations early on. I don't recall Senator Clinton complaining then about them doing that. I think it is arguable that Senator Obama in the end ran a very good campaign that paid attention to the Democratic party electoral rules and as a result won the nomination. Senator Clinton and former President Clinton made mistakes that hurt her campaign too.

[isab]

Hi,

My main problem with journalists is that they pretend to be what they are not : independant.

All newspapers and TV of a certain importance belong to big corporations.

I can choose to buy a newspaper or not, to listen to a journalist or not. It's my choice.

But when they tell you, with their hand on their heart, that they are independant... I feel sorry for them and for the people who believe it.

ISAB

[irock4u]

I beg to differ

Definately, Totally Disagree with you on that FOX is totaly for Republicans...their attitues towards liberal views are zilch.

To each our own opinion :D

I agree with you on Nacny she is not doing a damn thing for Democrates. If i am wrong somone please list i am too tired to search and it is my opinion from my observation. i could be wrong but i have not heard her views on much since she became the leader.

[bludflygrl]

I beg to differ as I watch Fox News everyday and they show both sides of every argument. They always have a Democratic and a Republican strategist come in during segments. Brit Hume has a round table with both Democrats and Republicans, and all they talk about now is Hillary and Obama... I would say that isn't right winged... its fair and balanced, not like CNN, which I have watched too.. talk about biased!:uglyconf: And having that snake in the grass Nancy Pelosi who disrespects her peoples opinions, its no wonder the Congress has had its lowest rating in the longest time. Granted I know Bush's rating is low as well and many people are upset with him, and I haven't been happy with some of his decisions, but Nancy Pelosi is a left winged lunatic! No respect for Bush or anyone! As long as they are a Democrat!

Sorry Rocky buddy! I agree with AB 100% on this one. Members of the DNC said Fox has been the most balanced of all media outlets. They show both sides. That's the problems for dems. They don't want you to see all the crap they do !:p

Thanks for the cute story AB! Got a good chuckle:D

[irock4u]

Sorry Rocky buddy! I agree with AB 100% on this one. Members of the DNC said Fox has been the most balanced of all media outlets. They show both sides. That's the problems for dems. They don't want you to see all the crap they do !:p

Thanks for the cute story AB! Got a good chuckle:D


Totally, Disagree with you too buddy:cool: the interviewers are the problem for me yes they have both sides on the show but speak totally differently to the parties...again my opinion

[Tolaoi]

To All yall Which still wanna McCain to be a president
Here is a Lil Something 4 yall and for others .. things you should definitely know about McCain.. before ya go VOTE!! and those are true facts!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tKiFw9x6E

[jelkins]

I don't even own a television so I can't comment on which network's coverage is more or less biased in either direction. I don't trust the mainstream media at all. So, in an effort to form my own opinions, I've tried to avoid reading or watching any commentary on this election. Instead, I take in what the candidates say and do a lot of research.

When/if McCain comes to this area, I'll go see him. I saw Clinton twice and I saw Obama speak yesterday. (I was very, very impressed, by the way.) After a lot of thought, I voted for Clinton in the primaries. I'll be voting for Obama, wholeheartedly, in November. I like McCain; I think he's a decent guy and I could actually see myself voting for him under different circumstances. But when I look at the issues, I find that my beliefs or more closely-aligned with those of Obama. It's as simple as that for me.



Let me throw a question out there to see what you all think...

Do you think Hillary as Obama's VP would be an asset or a liability? :rolleyes:

[jelkins]

Liability... knowing the Clintons, Obama will be dead in a year so Hillary can be president... yes crazy thought, but Ive read books on the Clintons and they aren't that "straight laced" as you think and my friend lived in Arkansas when Bill was governor and lets just say, womanizer up the ying yang.... among other things... shady... Hillary would be better off staying in the Senate...

Wow! That does sound a little over-the-edge. ;) I know what books you're talking about, though. I read some of that stuff, too, because I always like a good conspiracy theory. But then I asked myself, "Here is a list, which is comprised mostly of people with rather tenuous ties to the Clintons. So why haven't people like Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Ken Starr - people who really had some truly damaging information - been knocked off?" Doesn't make sense.
There were definitely some shady deals and Bill is (or at least, was) a philanderer. Ain't no getting around that.
I guess it could be seen as Bill being Hillary's biggest liability, possibly the biggest reason she didn't win the nomination and a good reason for Obama not to choose her as his VP candidate?

[bludflygrl]

I can't remember the one guy that was "killed" that was found on some property where he laid with his hands folded and they "said" he killed himself, but the gun was in the wrong hand, so it was placed that way.

Hey Ab, you're right! The guys name was David Foster I believe. Fostergate after whitewatergate before lewinksygate, before pardongate! Jeez so many gates:p
There is a website, or was anyway, dunno if it's still around called friends of Bill. It's a whole list of people that ended up missing, dead, or screwed royally.

I think Mccain better choose his VEEP very carefully!! I ope he chooses a woman:D I think Kay Bailey Hutchinson TX would be cool! Or Condi!! hmmm a black female Veep;)

[irock4u]

Or Condi!! hmmm a black female Veep;)

Not Bush Jr:eek:...that's all that woman is Georgie Boi Puppet


AB, So NOT!!! we are watching 2 different things then must take into consideration that i am over here though and they usually only show the Republican views.

Remember that book that just came out AFN program immediately had AD's disputing McCullens book. So from my view i only see the Rep side of things when i am in the states i am not watching TV.


Blu, just noticed i like your Parrot that the one bit you on the A$$

[bludflygrl]

Not Bush Jr:eek:...that's all that woman is Georgie Boi Puppet

:hammer: You are so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AB.. I agree i like Lieberman! I do not care for the Huckster, just cause of his views on homosexuality.. I like his ideas about the fair tax!! Sorry you are having a sh:mad_sorry:tty day!! I am with you there too! Insomnia:kaffeetrinker_2:

[jelkins]

This country will go into the shithole! BIG AND BAD!

Already there, darlin'! That's why I'm voting for Obama rather than McBush.

Actually the guy y'all are talking about is Vince Foster. Seems to me, clinical depression caused him to commit suicide. The whole thing has been investigated like seven times by various agencies including the FBI, Congress, and "independent counsel" Ken Starr. All of those investigations concluded Foster's death was suicide. If Ken Starr had found one shred of evidence against the Clintons, he would STILL be trying to impeach Bill and send Hillary to prison. You have your opinion and I have mine, which is that all of those "Friends of Bill" is a bunch of baloney cooked up by the likes of Karl Rove or some other rabid GOP crackhead.

[jelkins]

I think Mccain better choose his VEEP very carefully!! I ope he chooses a woman:D I think Kay Bailey Hutchinson TX would be cool! Or Condi!! hmmm a black female Veep;)

Either of those ladies WOULD be interesting choices! I agree. I think having a woman on his ticket might help McCain's chances. My sister, who is very conservative, thinks McCain ought to pick a someone much more conservative than himself, since he's rather moderate. That may be a good approach, too.

[misskitty]

that is really sad,he will be really missed by everyone :(

[deezionu1]

Tim will surely be mised, he was a brilliant political analyst. I watched him every sunday on meet the press. My deepest sympathies go out to his family & friends. (RIP TIM):b_cry:

[irock4u]

I just heard this morning it was so sad to hear...I believe he was one of the few unbiased good journalist.

[irock4u]

I lean towards Democratic Party and after Hilary did not get the nomination I was going to give Obama a chance I did not think he is right and he is reassuring my opinion of that. Obama recently did his world tour dog and pony show. I am was not impressed if he truly cared he could have made visits to Kuwait, Afghan, or Iraq at anytime prioe so visiting Afghan was not impressive he used soldiers for poltical purposes:mad:. Big topic lately about him not visiting injured soldiers. I am dumb founded by his lack of concern for these wounded soldiers. The Pentagon apparently informed him his political staff could not visit so he canned the entire planned visit 24hrs prior to the scheduled visit. Anyone affliated with the military knows that a lot goes into the preparations for VIP's then to get their hopes up to cancel.:mad: He claims he would have caught flack for visiting on a political funded trip I say BS...this was not a spur of the moment last minute unplanned trip. I personally would have gladly taken the flack for visiting wounded veterans without my political press people then the flack for not going. He has been trying to BS his way out of this and it just does not have any merit for not visiting those soldiers who once were informed of the visit most likely looked forward to it. Any bit of morale helps...

Now, 2 choices vote for inconsider A$$ to wounded veterans or vote for old man that may get alzheimers like Pres Reagan.:wacko:

[xmaryx]

did everyone see ellen in this ludarcris video (near the end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcGldJlKiA

is ludacris for obama vid

[DegeneresDerossi2007]

did everyone see ellen in this ludarcris video (near the end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcGldJlKiA

is ludacris for obama vid

thanks for that ...

[jlilest]

Apparently Senator Obama is unhappy with the lyrics of that song.

Google News Search (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=&q=obama+rap&btnG=Search+News)

[misskitty]

did everyone see ellen in this ludarcris video (near the end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcGldJlKiA

is ludacris for obama vid

yea thanks for the video

[angeluv0426]

2:did everyone see ellen in this ludarcris video (near the end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcGldJlKiA

is ludacris for obama vid

Yep, it’s a weak rap. I really can’t blame Obama; he’s always seemed to be apologizing for others politically incorrect views…Ludacris represent’n?! Did you see Bush flip a bird? :eek: I wonder if President Bush knows what it means…:cool: [my apology inadvance to all the Republicans for the Bush comment, I could not resist]:kaffeetrinker_2: Ludacris most likely got permission fromTEDS to use the footage in his video.

[chinook]

Americans fight dirty during election time, we dont have that kind of rivalry between candidates for prime minister, guess we are just a down home loving country...we love everyone lol

[jlilest]

It is a love fest compared to what it was in the 18th and 19th centuries from what I have heard. :astonished:

[irock4u]

As far as Republican I think the best one received the nomination they had real weiners there...
As far as Democrats well Hilary was better than Obama.

McCain is going to have to pull a major rabbit out of a hat to win the whole country loves Obama...despite all the church scandels and everything he is still on top.

Neither one holds my personal values or beliefs and no body ever really fixes health care, homeless or education system etc...

Wonder is there a deadline for them to annouce VP's

[jlilest]

I think it is generally during the party convention.

I'm thinking the last night, but it has been a while. :uglyconf:

[Stephie22]

McCain is only 3 points behind... hes gonna win! Thank GOD... Obama is the scariest person, next to Osama Bin Laden!:kaffeetrinker_2:

Oh come on you dont can compare Obama with Osama bin Laden. But I must say I really dont like Obama or McCain. But If I had to deciede I would say Obama. The best had been Hillary in my opinion.

[angeluv0426]

I think it is generally during the party convention.

I'm thinking the last night, but it has been a while. :uglyconf:



There has been speculation here in Colorado that presumptive candidate nominee, Barack Obama will select a VP before the Democratic National Convention as not to overshadow the DNC here in Denver, Colorado; however, nothing affirmative as of date. :cool:

More DNC News: http://www.9news.com/news/elections/dnc/article.aspx?storyid=96886&catid=348

With the invasion of media coverage, celebrities, other politicians and dignitaries descending on Denver, security here in Denver will be like Ft. Knox during August 25-28, 2008; I’m planning on retreating (four day excursion) to the mountains [Vail for the Vail Jazz Concert during this invasion]. Colorado taxpayers are restricted within certian boundaries. The news here last month already named street closures, a lot of businesses near and around downtown Denver will either be closed or limited to conduct business. Total chaotic, navigating in or around Denver will be like running an obstacle course, highway rerouted, limited light rail, protestors….

http://www.denverconvention2008.com/

[One]

Oh come on you dont can compare Obama with Osama bin Laden.
right! that's just dumb but well that's not my cup of tea

http://jacoblshapiro.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/no_country_for_old_men.jpg

[Ruhrpott89]

Oh come on you dont can compare Obama with Osama bin Laden. But I must say I really dont like Osama or McCain. But If I had to deciede I would say Obama. The best had been Hillary in my opinion.

Yep I share your opinion.

[One]

90% of politics is publicity and everyone must admit that even Obama did a lot of it in Germany but I don't accept that this envious guy named MCCain calles us fawning Germans. :rolleyes:

[Stephie22]

90% of politics is publicity and everyone must admit that even Obama did a lot of it in Germany but I don't accept that this envious guy named MCCain calles us fawning Germans. :rolleyes:

he said that ? what a ass....

I mean sorry that we are interested in world politics and that some of us like him. I know why I dont like McCain. He is a second Bush and I dont think that America and the World need that.

Just my opinion.

[Ellen_portiafan1]

Oh come on you dont can compare Obama with Osama bin Laden. But I must say I really dont like Obama or McCain. But If I had to deciede I would say Obama. The best had been Hillary in my opinion.

I agree. I was for Hillary. I'm Democrat, unfortunatly I'm not old enough to vote, but I can voice my opinion. :D I'm for Obama of course because we can't afford to have another Republican in office, they just screw things up. However I will say that all the candidates are crooks in the end. This war is stupid and we need to get our troops home, we aren't doing any good by being over there, we are just causing more problems. Terrorism isn't going to go away. I think if Obama wins he will likely be assasinated, because he's african american and there are still a lot of racist hillbilies out there. But I think that a lot of people want McCain in because he's familiar, he's an old white guy who will likely die before he's sworn in (cause he's so old). Some americans are affraid of change. They don't want a woman president or an african american president, they want an old white guy. I don't know who will win, I just hope it's Obama. But I'm going to Germany this summer, and maybe I'll move there if things don't improve over here once I graduate.:D

This was a very long post, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that's just my opinion.

[Ellen_portiafan1]

Democrats screwed all you over not all the Republicans. The Democrats voted "NO" on a lot of issues in the Senate AND Congress!!!!!! If Clinton would of let us drill in ANWR, we wouldn't be relying on oil when he was in office since it would take about 10 years to get an oil rig going. Clinton COULD OF STOPPED Bin Laden, but he never did. Clinton lost the "football" security numbers 3 times while in office when they are supposed to have them at all times on them physically! (then he and his affairs)... Bush proposed many things that would of helped us, but it was the DEMOCRATS that voted against them.

Hillary will come back. I know she will. But the Clintons are sore losers and if Obama ends up choosing her as VP, 10 bucks says he'll be asassinated within a year. The Clintons are SHADY people. I've read books from his Former Security Secret Service People, and I tell ya, I know a person that lived in Arkansas when Clinton was governor and they are snakes in the grass. They got away with muder a few times already... trust me I know.

I wasn't comparing Obama to Osama, but I dislike them both because they too are snakes in the grass and Osama is a effing coward. Obama has flip flopped so much on the war in Iraq (as most politicians do) and hes for socialized medicine. THAT will screw me over in the end personally and that is why I hope the ******* loses and he will...:kaffeetrinker_2::scoolblue:

I agree with you on the fact that they are all snakes in the grass. Sorry if any of us have offended you on here, my apologies, I respect your opinions as I'm sure everyone else does.

[Ellen_portiafan1]

No I respect all opinions, just want to express mine since I'm the only Republican here ROFL!

EEK!:eek::eek::eek:

Well it seems you are out-numbered my friend...:evil: Democrats Unite!!! lol, j/k.:D

[Stephie22]

Democrats screwed all you over not all the Republicans. The Democrats voted "NO" on a lot of issues in the Senate AND Congress!!!!!! If Clinton would of let us drill in ANWR, we wouldn't be relying on oil when he was in office since it would take about 10 years to get an oil rig going. Clinton COULD OF STOPPED Bin Laden, but he never did. Clinton lost the "football" security numbers 3 times while in office when they are supposed to have them at all times on them physically! (then he and his affairs)... Bush proposed many things that would of helped us, but it was the DEMOCRATS that voted against them.

Hillary will come back. I know she will. But the Clintons are sore losers and if Obama ends up choosing her as VP, 10 bucks says he'll be asassinated within a year. The Clintons are SHADY people. I've read books from his Former Security Secret Service People, and I tell ya, I know a person that lived in Arkansas when Clinton was governor and they are snakes in the grass. They got away with muder a few times already... trust me I know.

I wasn't comparing Obama to Osama, but I dislike them both because they too are snakes in the grass and Osama is a effing coward. Obama has flip flopped so much on the war in Iraq (as most politicians do) and hes for socialized medicine. THAT will screw me over in the end personally and that is why I hope the ******* loses and he will...:kaffeetrinker_2::scoolblue:

Oh I could discuss with u forever about clinton and Bush ( I hate Bush , sorry but he is the biggest loser and idiot in my opinion ). But I respect your opinion and I couldnt change your mind annyway thats why I dont say annything more.

[Stephie22]

I agree. I was for Hillary. I'm Democrat, unfortunatly I'm not old enough to vote, but I can voice my opinion. :D I'm for Obama of course because we can't afford to have another Republican in office, they just screw things up. However I will say that all the candidates are crooks in the end. This war is stupid and we need to get our troops home, we aren't doing any good by being over there, we are just causing more problems. Terrorism isn't going to go away. I think if Obama wins he will likely be assasinated, because he's african american and there are still a lot of racist hillbilies out there. But I think that a lot of people want McCain in because he's familiar, he's an old white guy who will likely die before he's sworn in (cause he's so old). Some americans are affraid of change. They don't want a woman president or an african american president, they want an old white guy. I don't know who will win, I just hope it's Obama. But I'm going to Germany this summer, and maybe I'll move there if things don't improve over here once I graduate.:D

This was a very long post, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that's just my opinion.

yeah I share your opinion.

Where r u going to go on Summer in Germany ?

I must say I think we ( the germans ) are way ahead in politic ( I mean we have a women cancler ). I dont think that America is ready for a female or black president. So thats why I think McCain will win. Sadly.

i dunno why the americans dont learn from their mistakes ( you voted Bush 2 times in a row as President and you saw in the first years what for a idiot he is ). I dont wanne offend the americans here. I love the country and the People but I dont understand the americans sometimes.

[Ellen_portiafan1]

yeah I share your opinion.

Where r u going to go on Summer in Germany ?

I must say I think we ( the germans ) are way ahead in politic ( I mean we have a women cancler ). I dont think that America is ready for a female or black president. So thats why I think McCain will win. Sadly.

i dunno why the americans dont learn from their mistakes ( you voted Bush 2 times in a row as President and you saw in the first years what for a idiot he is ). I dont wanne offend the americans here. I love the country and the People but I dont understand the americans sometimes.

I completely agree with you. I'm not to fond of my country becuz of everything that's going on. Somewhere down south possibly Heldenburgh, i think that's it, it starts with a H.

[Ruhrpott89]

maybe Heidelberg ep?

[stephy379]

Man, I hate politics.

[irock4u]

You can have all the oil in the world but without the refinery's the republican owed company's shut down to fattening their pockets it wont mean a dang thing. We need the refinerys rebuilt or built now not more drilling.

And not gonna play with bashing too easy to point out all Bush's(both) wrong doings Iraq is daddy's revenge plain and simple. Afghan and Pakastain is where the shit stirs came from but most forces are in iraq...
Neither party is perfect. Both McCain and Obama make mistakes now wtf McCain even running ad about Paris and Britney for that was lame.
After orginally all over the new talking about campaign reform and running a clean campaign. (right) that was childish.

[ponies]

i dunno why the americans dont learn from their mistakes ( you voted Bush 2 times in a row as President and you saw in the first years what for a idiot he is ). I dont wanne offend the americans here. I love the country and the People but I dont understand the americans sometimes.

Don't worry, we're not all blind and dumb. We're just outnumbered by the less educated and the people who don't care enough to vote. I'm hopeful that this year might be different. ;)

[angeluv0426]

Helloooo Bush had to clean up Clintons mistakes... don't you remember the Clinton years where he totally effed up everything? When the World Trade Center had the first bombing, he could of totally gotten Bin Laden, but he didn't. He had (once again I have to say this) the opportunity to drill in ANWR but refused and it would of saved us with gas prices right NOW! NOW the candidates are thinking about drilling here but its not for sure yet and if they decide to, its going to take up to 10 years to get it going, which makes us more dependent on foreign oil! Our troops are stationed all over the world, including Germany!!! They deserve the respect they need as well and I feel Americans and others don't appreciate OUR service MEN AND WOMEN AT ALL! They are fighting for OUR FREEDOM! Guarding cities, granting freedom... its our guys helping you. And no respect and Bush keeps the troops where they need to be because they are needed and we all need to learn how to respect them... for without them, we are FU**ED!

Also, Democrats continuously vote Bush down in Congress and Senate and that says a lot to Democrats... its their doing, not BUSHS'... you have to investigate the system to understand I guess...

Story:

Congress is gone, but Republicans won't leave

WASHINGTON (AP) — The last House vote before a vacation usually sparks a stampede toward the doors and waiting planes. Not so on Friday, when Republicans occupied the House floor for a rare, and at times bizarre, protest against Democratic energy policies.

The microphones were off, the House had stopped TV feeds to C-Span and the lights dimmed after the pre-noon vote to adjourn for the August recess. That didn't deter Republicans, who one after another rose to demand that Congress stay in session until it does something about high gas prices.
Unlike a normal session where the rules of decorum are strictly enforced, GOP lawmakers and their aides who filled the chamber clapped, chanted, gave standing ovations and booed the Democrats.

"Madame Speaker, where art thou?" shouted out Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, in a glancing rhetorical shot at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "Where oh where has Congress gone?"

It was a rare treat for tourists. Republicans invited many, in their shorts and sandals, into the chamber, usually strictly off-limits, to better hear the revivalist-like speeches.

The talkathon finally ended around 5:00 p.m. EDT, more than five hours after it began and 30 minutes after police escorted tourists out of the chamber. The Capitol closes to tourists at 4:30 p.m. In a grand finale, lawmakers led a roomful of aides in a rendition of "God Bless America" and walked off to chants of "USA, USA."

The event, said Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona, one of the organizers with Reps. Mike Pence of Indiana and Tom Price of Georgia, was "the equivalent of the Boston Tea Party over the energy issue."

Republicans are angry that Democrats blocked them from a vote on allowing more offshore oil drilling and increasing domestic oil supplies.

Democrats have faulted Republicans for obstructing their efforts to stop market speculation, press oil companies to develop the leases they have and force the president to release oil from the strategic petroleum reserve. The result is that Congress is leaving town without a comprehensive energy bill. AKA: DEMOCRATS!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR0FZ1kvikt98uSZpxlR7nnAAV2AD929NU302


Ahh, the Republicans adjourn just in time for evening supper.:kaffeetrinker_2: The solution is not for Americans dependence on fossil fuel, biofuel or nuclear energy, the real solution is alternative energy. Congress adjourn 5 weeks summer recess , but before adjourning the Republicans intentionally staged a mocked demonstration which resembled “Boston Tea Party” perpetuated by the media sensationalism and to place blame on Democrats decision not to lift the restriction on offshore waters to oil and gas drilling. The truth is the partisan rift over whether to lift the ban on offshore waters to oil and gas drilling.

The Republicans want to lift the ban on offshore drilling [Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off the East and West coasts]. This is counterproductive which offers no real solutions to America Energy Crisis. "Critics along with government’s Energy information Administration say any price drop would take years to materialize and offer minimal at best, maybe 2 or 3 cents off gallon of gas."

This is a placebo pill solution Republicans are desperately selling to American Voters.

The Democrats want Republicans to compromise on extending a variety tax credits for wind, solar and other alternative energy programs.

Why?
 Cleaner source of alternative energy
 Environment friendly, [eliminating pollution] greenhouse gas emissions
 Cost Effective (affordable source of alternative energy)
 Wild life preservation

The United States need logistical solutions to lift our dependence on foreign oil.

Some Facts:
 Nuclear power- A very big disadvantage is that the raw material for nuclear power, uranium, is very radio-active. Also the used rods en other used materials stay radio-active for ages. At a nuclear power plant as Tsjernobyl we have seen how dangerous this type of energy-generation can be. This is the major reason why environmental groups (like Greenpeace) are against this form of energy-winning.
 Fossil Energy- Disadvantage is that during the process of combustion a lot of toxic materials comes into the air which causes extra pollution of the atmosphere, these materials also increase the effect of global warming. Another disadvantage of fossil energy is that the supply of fossil fuels is not endless. The current supply is for approximately 50 years. That is why the USA wants to trail for oil and natural gas in Alaska. If the USA does this, there are big consequences for the environment. For more information about this subject, go to the article about exhaustion. :cool:

[Stephie22]

Helloooo Bush had to clean up Clintons mistakes... don't you remember the Clinton years where he totally effed up everything? When the World Trade Center had the first bombing, he could of totally gotten Bin Laden, but he didn't. He had (once again I have to say this) the opportunity to drill in ANWR but refused and it would of saved us with gas prices right NOW! NOW the candidates are thinking about drilling here but its not for sure yet and if they decide to, its going to take up to 10 years to get it going, which makes us more dependent on foreign oil! Our troops are stationed all over the world, including Germany!!! They deserve the respect they need as well and I feel Americans and others don't appreciate OUR service MEN AND WOMEN AT ALL! They are fighting for OUR FREEDOM! Guarding cities, granting freedom... its our guys helping you. And no respect and Bush keeps the troops where they need to be because they are needed and we all need to learn how to respect them... for without them, we are FU**ED!

Also, Democrats continuously vote Bush down in Congress and Senate and that says a lot to Democrats... its their doing, not BUSHS'... you have to investigate the system to understand I guess...

Story:

Congress is gone, but Republicans won't leave

WASHINGTON (AP) — The last House vote before a vacation usually sparks a stampede toward the doors and waiting planes. Not so on Friday, when Republicans occupied the House floor for a rare, and at times bizarre, protest against Democratic energy policies.

The microphones were off, the House had stopped TV feeds to C-Span and the lights dimmed after the pre-noon vote to adjourn for the August recess. That didn't deter Republicans, who one after another rose to demand that Congress stay in session until it does something about high gas prices.
Unlike a normal session where the rules of decorum are strictly enforced, GOP lawmakers and their aides who filled the chamber clapped, chanted, gave standing ovations and booed the Democrats.

"Madame Speaker, where art thou?" shouted out Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, in a glancing rhetorical shot at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "Where oh where has Congress gone?"

It was a rare treat for tourists. Republicans invited many, in their shorts and sandals, into the chamber, usually strictly off-limits, to better hear the revivalist-like speeches.

The talkathon finally ended around 5:00 p.m. EDT, more than five hours after it began and 30 minutes after police escorted tourists out of the chamber. The Capitol closes to tourists at 4:30 p.m. In a grand finale, lawmakers led a roomful of aides in a rendition of "God Bless America" and walked off to chants of "USA, USA."

The event, said Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona, one of the organizers with Reps. Mike Pence of Indiana and Tom Price of Georgia, was "the equivalent of the Boston Tea Party over the energy issue."

Republicans are angry that Democrats blocked them from a vote on allowing more offshore oil drilling and increasing domestic oil supplies.

Democrats have faulted Republicans for obstructing their efforts to stop market speculation, press oil companies to develop the leases they have and force the president to release oil from the strategic petroleum reserve. The result is that Congress is leaving town without a comprehensive energy bill. AKA: DEMOCRATS!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR0FZ1kvikt98uSZpxlR7nnAAV2AD929NU302

As I said before I dont discuss with you cause it takes us to nothing.

You can say what you want my opinion is that Bush is the worst President that the United States ever had. He is simply to stupid to be President.

But as I said before I respect your opinion and I really like you Susan thats just one point where we dont get together. But thats ok.:)

[xmaryx]

Man, I hate politics.

Me too.
I had to read about this Obama/McCain election at work for a couple of our clients and I must say in the US you guys get more heated about politics than everyone else, which is not necessarily a good thing
AB, I know you support Rep. and most of us are Dem. (or at least liberals if we're not American) so it may seem like we're beating down your views, but it seems you are quite aggressive in your defense unneccesirily.
All I can say is all of you who will be old enough to vote by election time, make sure you're registered and that you actually go out and vote for who you care about. But choose carefully, and not just for the person you think best suits your individual needs. Think about the person who really treats us all equal.
The rest of the world watches America, and when it sees discrimination in what is one of the most powerful nations in the world, it gets filtered through to the rest of us. Through politics, to business practice, to media output.
Some people think one person can't make a change, but with your one vote you can.

[One]

Helloooo Bush had to clean up Clintons mistakes... don't you remember the Clinton years where he totally effed up everything? When the World Trade Center had the first bombing, he could of totally gotten Bin Laden, but he didn't.
I see and Bush had to clean up Iraq from nuclear weapon as we all know :uglyconf:

[bludflygrl]

McCain is now tied with Obama in most of the polls! I am sorry, but my vote is for McCain! I must say Obama is a good swimmer cause he is having to back peddle an awful lot! He has no experience what so ever. McCain has asked him to do at least ten town halls and he has refused them all. He goes around the world like a rock star....Whatever... he blew off the troops in Germany he chose to workout in a spiffy gym!!! WTF??? Commander in Chief eh? He will degrade the military like the Clintons!!

He has NEVER casted a vote for anything important...I am sorry but he is associated with too many racist people...YES I said RACIST....it goes both ways you know...He keeps having to renounce friends of his..I won't go through the list.

I mean no offense, but those of you who compare Mc Cain to Bush really don't follow politics....McCain is VERY different from Bush!! Most DEM"S will be voting for him..If you are gonna make comments comparing him to Bush, I suggest you take the time to look at his policies

Sure Obama makes a GREAT speech, get him on his own without his trusty speech writer....he sputters more than Bush..He actually conmes across like he doesn't have a clue. Then gets offended when you ask him about voting records or policies....Obama HAS NO CLUE!!!! Jr senator that has voted present more than yea or nay!! He's gonna raise taxes, have you noticed he has stop running his mouth about immedeatly pulling out of Iraq?? He won't he can't ...Strategically it's the best place in the world we can be..look where it's located...right in the middle of EVERYTHING!! Iran is a problem will be for a long time..North Korea is a problem....thanks to Bill CLINTON who gave them the technology to make nukes...oh yea the dictator Kim jong a ding dong said it was just to be used for electricity..tell that to Japan cause they are firing off long range missiles in there direction!! We have ships off the coast of Japan protecting them because they signed a non-proliferation agreement after World War II! Meaning they don't have nukes or a strong missile defense program. They are honorable people who have kept their end of the bargain!

Oh and now Syria has nuclear technology because guess who sold it to them??IRAN!!! Look on your map as to where Syria(we all know how stand up and good those people are..NOT) is in location to Iraq! THANK GOD the Isreals blew up a nuclear facility there!

Then you have the conflict with Pakistan( OBAMA said he would invade Pakistan if he thought Osama was there.....some of you are saying good, however, Pakistan is a Soveriegn Nation...WE CAN"T!!!!!!AGAINST THE LAW...AAAH he should know that!!!!!!) and India (has nukes also, but friendly with us)... India and Pakistan are fighting over Kashmir (Obama has pissed off the Pakistani's , so i'm sure he'll be a BIG help in resolving that conflict or war if it comes to it!)... Ahmedenjad wants to destroy Isreal... Obama doesn't seem to be too concerned about that.then theres China that was sending arms into Iraq..we stopped that obviously. Weapons from Russia with not much love were found there also! Russia went broke during the cold war..So now they are selling their weapons to hostile countries.

People complain about we went in there for oil...really WHERE is it then cause we are paying out the bootie for gas..we didn't take iraqs oil!! Thank the dems for no new refineries since the 70's

Socialized medicine SUCKS!! Try seeing a doc in places that have it.
I am a small business owner...business SUX now cause of this damn election and people complaining over the economy!! Dems have everyone scared..the #'s aren't as bad as they are saying...Obama will raise my taxes !!!

Obama is not pro gay at all...I think Hilary was the only one running that was even well leaning towards gay rights!!!!

The dems have had control over the congress the last couple years.....their approval rating is now LOWER than BUSH"S !!!!! You want them in power???

Sorry to go on..It just seems a lot of people don't really know what or who they are voting for. They hear a 20 sec sound bite or read a headline and go from there. People spend more time picking out socks then they do a president!

I can't wait for the debates...Mc Cain is gonna Destroy Obama~~~

[jlilest]

Candidates tend to try to get events that favor them.

Senator McCain's people believe that he has an advantage in a town hall type event.

Joint press conferences, often called debates, tend to favor the candidate that is behind since the leading candidate has more to lose than the one that is behind.

[angeluv0426]

[QUOTE=bludflygrl;189982]He has NEVER casted a vote for anything important...I am sorry but he is associated with too many racist people...YES I said RACIST....it goes both ways you know...He keeps having to renounce friends of his..I won't go through the list.
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When benefiting the opposition, the race card can be played by both hands… Every presidential election year, the right wing party subliminally infiltrates the people’s psyche by planting one word “fear“ “ (fear tactics are an effective method politicians use to manipulate the political agenda/ system), whether the message is fear of race, gays, criminals, or welfare recipients eroding the American economy.

There seems to be a great divide regarding race, one example Senator Barack Obama and Rev. Wright relationship. Many Anglo-Saxons view Rev. Wright as racist while many African-Americans revered Rev. Wright as a devoted patriot, who serve his country while in the Marine and Navy. Rev. Wright’s Sunday sermon, right after the 911 attacks was later looped redundantly into 30-second sound bits on “you tube” and broadcast all over national networks and websites, this was an unfair assessment of the Rev. Wright’s 30 years as a theologian. It’s easy to label Rev. Wright a racist without understanding the history behind the comments. Most African-Americans can sympathize with Rev. Jeremiah Wright oppressed circumventions- frustrations driven by the Civil Rights Movement and Institutionalized Racism of today.

Definition of Institutionalized Racism: Institutional racism (also known as structural racism, state racism or systemic racism) is racial discrimination by governments, corporations, educational institutions or other large organizations with the power to influence the lives of many individuals.

Unfortunately, many people view Barack Obama as a black man instead of biracial. descent That’s the image the Republicans want to project into Americans’ psyche, “fear”. And lets be honest Americans fear what they do not understand or fear unfamiliar territory they have not tread.

It is exhausting, that Americans intelligence is always undermined by "fear tactics." Politicians need to discuss the issues that are important to constituents instead of avoiding them. The oldest strategy in politics and we still have not gotten any wiser.

Do you feel race relations can transcend beyond racial lines in the 21st century? If so, how do we move forward?
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Both Senators Clinton and Obama oppose Gay Marriage and believe marriage is between a man and a woman, but support Civil Unions.

:cool:

[xmaryx]

[quote=bludflygrl;189982]
Both Senators Clinton and Obama oppose Gay Marriage and believe marriage is between a man and a woman, but support Civil Unions.

:cool:

This is why Obama is better than McCain. Although its not perfect, its better than blatant discrimination

And AB I seriously would not take too seriously anything reported by CNN. While the events are likely to be true, CNN has an agenda and so the spin will be slanted. CNN is not alone, as you dont really have idenpendent TV or news in the US

[irock4u]

I see and Bush had to clean up Iraq from nuclear weapon as we all know :uglyconf:
MWD's :atomrofl:



I like the Flipflops on the forum when some posted negative things about McCain but now praise him just because he is a Republican. I had problems with Obama even though I lean to Democratic Party I didnt run and embrace him, when Hilary lost. Obama needs to prove himself to me unlike others that welcome and embrace their least favorite representative now:astonished:

As far as Obama not wanting to pull out as strongly as he is being exposed to more information. Iraq is a complex situation that yes Bush pushed for but not solely responsible for. Democrats let us down big time on this they should have investigated the information more but were too concerned at the time of being labeled unpatriotic. Remember, the time you couldnt go 2 feet without seeing a flag that have disappeared.

Iraq is a mess the politicians put the US into period. I have 1st hand views from over here. I dont discuss on the forum not because I know secrets or anything but I have opinions and they are like assholes. My opinion are derived from talking to many soldiers though. They dont come from one sided (alleged) news shows...I am going to post an email one soldier went back home who was imbedded with the Iraqi's and is trying to do something positive this is something most soldiers do not just a few. Sorry, I need to go mellow out but I am going to post the CPT's efforts. It is in a paper so I wont be violating anything. I am so proud of service members it is ridiculous.

People need to look at both sides for flaws and make an educated decision. Gee, I could go on but after so many lines interest is lost...
I had to read those novels in different sittings ppl posted:hammer:

[irock4u]

Scobel Wiggins | Gazette-Times
Oregon State University dean of the College of Engineering Ron Adams, left, looks on as Capt. Joshua Mater, a Crescent Valley and OSU graduate, describes his project to deliver 200 engineering textbooks to Dhi Qar University in Iraq.


OSU grad books deal
By KYLE ODEGARD
Gazette-Times reporter Capt. Joshua Mater works with Oregon State to get texts for Dhi Qar University in Iraq

Capt. Joshua Mater’s job in Iraq was to help the reconstruction effort.

The 27-year-old returned to the United States last month, but the Army soldier is sending back a valuable gift to rebuild the war-torn country: engineering textbooks, about 200 of them, gathered from Oregon State University.

With them, students at Dhi Qar University in southern Iraq can learn how to construct roads, provide electricity and create bridges.

“They’ll be very appreciative of all of this,” Mater said. Dhi Qar University was damaged during combat, but while the structures have been renovated, there’s still a dire need for supplies. “Anything from desks to textbooks to computers.”

Mater, an OSU alumnus, worked with university officials in Iraq, which inspired him to contact his own alma mater. OSU engineering faculty donated the thick volumes. “We’re trying to do the same with the College of Business,” Mater said.

The soldier and his family will pay to ship the books halfway across the world. He didn’t know how much that would cost. “The most important thing is that we get the donations over there.”

Ron Adams, dean of the College of Engineering, said the texts were worth about $20,000, and they’re of recent vintage. “The specific request was for 21st century textbooks,” he said.

The Iraqi students understand English well enough that the language of the books won’t pose a problem.

Even before the war, Iraqi universities were using old engineering books, in some cases from the 1960s, Mater said. Saddam Hussein destroyed many texts as a way to harm the educational system and keep Iraqis under control.

Even with the donated textbooks, though, challenges face Iraq’s universities. The country must rebuild its university faculty as well as student enrollment.

Mater also is a graduate of Crescent Valley High School. He now lives in Fayetteville, N.C., and is stationed at Fort Bragg as part of Charlie Company of the 98th Civil Affairs Battalion.

He served eight months in Iraq, and was wounded when a rocket exploded near him on May 22. Mater, who still has shrapnel in his right left arm, received a Purple Heart.

“There was very little harm done. … I’m a little bit embarrassed to talk about it,” he said. Many friends and others serving overseas were hurt much worse or even killed, he said.

Mater said that the violence and bloodshed often makes its way into headlines here in America, but he said the military is doing plenty to help Iraqis, such as his textbook project.

With 10,000 students, Dhi Qar University is one of the largest schools in Iraq. OSU President Ed Ray has extended an offer to discuss making it a sister university of OSU, Mater said.

He hopes to get officials from Dhi Qar to visit Corvallis sometime soon. “They have a lot to offer over there, some extremely bright minds,” Mater said. “Hopefully, someday, students from OSU will be able to go over there and study. In the near future, it would be Iraqi students coming to Oregon State until the security situation improves enough.”

If any one has anything negative please do not comment I know him through a friend. I just put this out for general information not to make a statement.
Thanks

[bludflygrl]

I respectfully disagree xmaryx...both candidates have similar views on gay marriage. The quote is from Vox Nova. The article is called "Obama & McCain Oppose Same Sex Marriage; Support Some Forms of Civil Unions"

What compounds the difficulty in understanding McCain’s position on gay marriage is his common ground with Obama. While he states that he is opposed to same-sex “marriage,” he says that he is not opposed to same-sex civil unions.

Both Obama and McCain oppse gay marriage for religious reasons...once again so much for the separation of church and state!!!:mad: Anyways....they both are for leaving it up to each State. Massachusetts is now like California!1 So only 48 more States to Go!!! Hope Florida is next....:rolleyes:

We'll just have to wait for the Presidential debates:cool:

[HeavensAngel332]

Anyways....they both are for leaving it up to each State. Massachusetts is now like California!1 So only 48 more States to Go!!! Hope Florida is next....:rolleyes:

We'll just have to wait for the Presidential debates:cool:

Yes! Please Florida be next! *crosses fingers*

[xmaryx]

I respectfully disagree xmaryx...both candidates have similar views on gay marriage.


But as far as I am aware only McCain has voted in favour of anti-gay legislation. He supported the propsed amendment to the arizona constitution to ban gay marriage and actively supports 'dont ask dont tell' while Obama wishes to repeal it, voted in favour of extending non-discrimintation bills to include same-sex issues, opposed DOMA and is for gays adopting

So while their views on same sex marriage is the same, the finer points are different

[bludflygrl]

But as far as I am aware only McCain has voted in favour of anti-gay legislation. He supported the propsed amendment to the arizona constitution to ban gay marriage and actively supports 'dont ask dont tell' while Obama wishes to repeal it, voted in favour of extending non-discrimintation bills to include same-sex issues, opposed DOMA and is for gays adopting

So while their views on same sex marriage is the same, the finer points are different

Well, I guess that's good that he said it's up to each State;), as far as the military goes I will check cause I have heard differently about each candidate! They both need some sand to go with their flip flops!! McCain did vote against the federal ban . I will look into this further for myself. I am gay, but there are too many other issues that are important to me. I can't vote for one issue. I would love to see gay marriage legal everywhere! If they leave it up to the States we'll be ok. I think gay marriage will have a domino effect among the States. I know this is gonna sound selfish, but I have a small business. I don't have a girlfriend, doesn't look like I will anytime soon. However, when I do get one... I want to be able to afford to her!! So, I am focusing on taxes and health care. I think gay marriage isn't going to be up to the President anyway, it's congress, the legislators. That's why those elections are actually more important.:rolleyes:

[irock4u]

[quote=xmaryx;190071actively supports 'dont ask dont tell' while Obama wishes to repeal it, voted in favour of extending non-discrimintation bills to include same-sex issues, opposed DOMA and is for gays adopting[/quote]

The problem with dont ask dont tell if it is repealed and new legislation is not enacted it goes back to before when gays were not allowed to join.
At least dont ask dont tell allows gays to join. Repealing dont ask dont tell is a bad thing without new protective measure so when Obama is stating to repeal it what does he plan to do once it goes away and gays can not join the military. It could go back to the days when the question was on the application are you gay. I had to say no:wallbash:


Meant Repealed... LOL

[bludflygrl]

The problem with dont ask dont tell if it is appealed and new legislation is not enacted it goes back to before when gays were not allowed to join.
At least dont ask dont tell allows gays to join. Appealing dont ask dont tell is a bad thing without new protective measure so when Obama is stating to repeal it what does he plan to do once it goes away and gays can not join the military. It could go back to the days when the question was on the application are you gay. I had to say no:wallbash:

Good point Irock..there needs to be some kind of safety net is it isn't appealed
There are so many gays in the military. What will they do if two soldiers get married in Cali get booted. So married gays in Cali can have insurance benefits from their employer, as long as it isn't the US government:wallbash:

[irock4u]

as long as it isn't the US government:wallbash:


Weird it is against EO policy to discriminate against DAC's (Department of Army Civilian) that are gay as in being harassed and what not but the government does not offer benefits for domestic partnerships. I work for a terrific company and they offer domestic partnership health coverage.
I just dont have a domestic partner to cover now LOL!!!

[xmaryx]

I am gay, but there are too many other issues that are important to me. I can't vote for one issue. I would love to see gay marriage legal everywhere! If they leave it up to the States we'll be ok. I think gay marriage will have a domino effect among the States. I know this is gonna sound selfish, but I have a small business. I don't have a girlfriend, doesn't look like I will anytime soon. However, when I do get one... I want to be able to afford to her!! So, I am focusing on taxes and health care. I think gay marriage isn't going to be up to the President anyway, it's congress, the legislators. That's why those elections are actually more important.:rolleyes:

Totally, one issue politics can be divisive, and in my opinion people need to vote on the bigger picture. I do think that gay marriage will be a knock on event from state to state but it would not do any harm to have someone more pro-gay in office.

@Irock4u

tbh I just dont understand why gay people cannot serve openly in the US military esp. at a time when you are desperate for soldiers. In the UK, Israel and Germany (i think) gay people have no problems in the military. But I agree (thanks for pointing it out) that if dont ask dont tell is repealed,some other protection need to be put in place.
I have lots of friends in the UK Army, Air Force and Navy and a lot are gay and they have never had a problem over their sexuality. Actually more of them have had issues being vegetarian as you simply have to eat what you are given! :p

[irock4u]

@Irock4u, I just dont understand why gay people cannot serve openly in the US military


I am in a debate with knuckle heads on a military website over this same topic. My problem is convicted Felons are allowed to serve while gays are not.:eek: I would rather law biding gays serve then Convicted Felons. There are jerks that say some rude crap in their bigoted defense of wanting Felons over gays. Some people are just ignorant.:uglyconf:
They use every sterotype you may have heard of a million times they are not very creative with bigoted statement at all.

[angeluv0426]

It appears there will be three standard face-off debates between Senators McCain and Obama this fall proposed by the Commission on Presidential Debates. According to CNN the first debate is set for September 26 in Oxford, Mississippi. The other two presidential debates are set for October 7 and October 15, 2008. :cool:

[jlilest]

I wonder if that debate done when congress was adjourned was more meaningful than the speakers that used to rail against other members late at night in the house of representatives until the speaker of the house had the cameras start panning back and forth so that people watching C-span could see that they were talking to themselves.

I wonder how many states want to have off shore drilling along their coast.

I found what appears to be a government study of what can be gotten from the arctic national wildlife refuge
Executive Summary (http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/arctic_national_wildlife_refuge/html/execsummary.html)

The daily amount of oil imported by the United States
Daily Energy Use/Imports (http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-states/ene-energy)

They appear to think that 10 billion barrels can be recovered, which would be around 2 and 3/4 years of oil imports.

[angeluv0426]

Democratic Presumptive Presidential Nominee Senator Barack Obama compromise with the Republicans to circumscribe to a strategy to alleviate the costs of high energy prices. Senator Obama made the contentious decision to remove the stronghold on the partisan rift over to lift the ban on off shore drilling waters to oil gas drilling. The compromise will be beneficial economically to reduce dependency on foreign oil and to develop alternative energy fuel. Senator McCain reversed his position on lifting the ban on offshore drilling. McCain supported the drilling moratorium and criticized “special interests” in Washington. Senator Obama’s plan would invest $150 billion in the next 10 years and leverage billions more from private capital to build a new energy economy. The bipartisan compromise will lower fuel prices now, if compromising is considered flip flop than Americans are reaping the benefits from relief at the pumps. Sometimes the end justifies the means. I oppose tapping into strategic oil reserves as part of the relief plan.

[ponies]

Fact: The Senate and House are not in session for 5 weeks. Nancy Pelosi, 3rd in line for the President:eek:, stopped short of that vacation of few days early for their vacation.

Fact: The Republicans took advantage of those open days and had sessions that included tourists... (as stated before), and did their jobs.

Fact: Nancy Pelosi is against off shore drilling as are the Democrats, but NOW is getting the Democrats to flip flop their decision so they WILL vote for it when they reconvene in 5 weeks.

Nancy Pelosi is an idiot:mad:. Shady, and will do anything in her power to blame the Republicans or Bush for this... sit back and watch in 5 weeks. Mark my word!

I find it curious why you feel the need to so vehemently and tendentiously evangelize your political opinion on an internet forum. Don't you have enough respect for the members of this forum to trust that they are intelligent individuals who can read the news and form their own opinions? You don't seem to be very positive or complimentary about anything.

[Tysonshadow]

SETTLE DOWN KIDS!!!:uglyconf:

This is a fun Ellen DeGeneres fansite - REMEMBER!!!:)

That being said, I'm so glad our election is over...:p

[angeluv0426]

SETTLE DOWN KIDS!!!:uglyconf:

This is a fun Ellen DeGeneres fansite - REMEMBER!!!:)

That being said, I'm so glad our election is over...:p

You’re absolutely right this is an Ellen fan-site. We all have different political views on issues that are important to each of us. If I have offended anyone with my opinions, I sincerely apologize. :cool:

[Tysonshadow]

You’re absolutely right this is an Ellen fan-site. We all have different political views on issues that are important to each of us. If I have offended anyone with my opinions, I sincerely apologize. :cool:

GROUP HUG!!!:)

[bludflygrl]

Well, it just hit the news! Russia had declared war on Georgia (not the US State Georgia, not insulting anyone's intelligence. Some people would think that though)
Now Georgia wants to know what the US is gonna do! Says we need to protect them!! This is gonna be bad!!! It's been coming on now for a long time!

Anyone from either area on this forum? I would really like to know what you think! It seems to me like this is a civil war!!:eek:

[xmaryx]

Well, it just hit the news! Russia had declared war on Georgia (not the US State Georgia, not insulting anyone's intelligence. Some people would think that though)
Now Georgia wants to know what the US is gonna do! Says we need to protect them!! This is gonna be bad!!! It's been coming on now for a long time!

Anyone from either area on this forum? I would really like to know what you think! It seems to me like this is a civil war!!:eek:

it seems it is just another part of the ongoing historical problem of ethnic cleansing in the region

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm

i hope it does not escalate into full war

[xmaryx]

"The most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' "

Ronald Reagan


here is my favourite quote

'the religious right are neither' :p

[angeluv0426]

1. Neither NATO nor any other country recognizes South Ossetia as an independent solvency since its de facto declaration of independence in 1992 governed by a secessionist government.

2. NATO Summit April 16, 2008 held in Bucharest, the communiqué explicitly said Georgia will become a member of NATO.

3. August 8, 2008, Beijing commences the Summer Olympics, both President George W. Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin are in attendance. Consequentially, Georgia invades South Ossetia which borders southern side of the” Caucasus, separated by the mountains from the more populous North Ossetia (part of Russia).”

4. Georgia ’s military troops invades South Ossetia, killing and wounding innocence civilians

5. Russia positioned its military forces along the borders of South Ossetia to aid Ossetians from aggressive artillery forces.

6. NATO and the United States spin propaganda as Russia being the aggressors.

Just thoughts:
The Georgian military is forcing Ossetians from the city; if I was a Russian’s government official, I would deduce that leaving my southern border vulnerable for probability future aggression is considerably measurable. Does anyone like the military game of chest and guess NATO / United States next move?

[bludflygrl]

UGH..Biden?? YUK!!!!! They are saying McCain may pick a woman...I hope. I don't care for Joe Biden at all...:mad: Sorry to anyone who digs him..

[irock4u]

A New McCain Ad just came out and I'm sorry I have to post it since I know I'm the only McCain fan here... but I am also a huge fan of The Ten Commandments with Charleston Heston and this was perfect... its hilarious!

New John McCain Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PetxaA42OuE)

AB, you are not alone on this one but I dont like McCain not keeping his word on running a clean campaign and not using smear tactics.

I was holding out on Obama hoping he would be smart enough to have Hilary run as VP but NOOOOOOOOO:mad: Hilary has more supporters then Biden ever dreamed of having and Obama picks him evidently Obama does not want a free thinker Obama wants the YES man he proclaims he does not want. I dont particularly care for OBAMA talks of change just throws out the word CHANGE what exactly is his change. At least I know where McCain stands on issues Obama is not concrete on anything.

Obama is deceiving folks with leaving Iraq that just cant happen and it wont too much invested to just up and leave and he knows it. There will most likely be a down size which is what it will be with McCain as well. Obama wants to go into Pakastan which know one really discusses. So, if Obama wins then soldiers will only leave Iraq to go to Afghan and then later into Pakastan.

I am gald for Hilary in the fact if Omaba looses which I hope he does then Hilary can run against McCain in 4 years and cream him:D

[bludflygrl]

I'm for McCain...I don't think he's using smear tactics though. Obama has drug McCain's wife in this. She is wealthy..Mc Cain doesn't own those houses. He had to think because his wife gave a couple to her kids.. Who cares how many damn houses heshe has!So much for Obama whining about not bringing wives into this!
Al Gore ..mr Green ..He uses more 20 times the electricity of an average home. His electric bills for 2007 were over $30,000. i am so tired of people saying their green or for the poor. when it's blatantly obvious they are not..Sorry for the rant. Here's a link to an article on Gorehttp://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/02/gores_carbon_fo.html

[irock4u]

Al Gore ..mr Green ..He uses more 20 times the electricity of an average home. His electric bills for 2007 were over $30,000. i am so tired of people saying their green or for the poor. when it's blatantly obvious they are not..Sorry for the rant. Here's a link to an article on Gorehttp://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/02/gores_carbon_fo.html


Gore is not running how did poor innocent Gore come into play...:blink:
Gore is Da Man!!!:cool:

[bludflygrl]

Gore is not running how did poor innocent Gore come into play...:blink:
Gore is Da Man!!!:cool:

Gore came into play because I felt like it! He is certainly not the man!! Green topics are part of the election. Besides, I am demonstrating how the Dems like to start social warfare, but have an arse pile of money on their own! The freaking hypocrisy! I could go on about Obama's SHADY real estate dealings with a slum lord! Everyone is talking about the environment..saying dems are best for it. I disagree

[irock4u]

Al Gore Still Da Man!!! - no Ed Begley Jr as to being Mr Green but he is trying he is conserving for his lifestyle and wants us to do the same for our lifestyle. Not unless I am missing some serious news over here he has not been out spoken for against any party for President. Yes, democrates are rich too but no one is going to go pennyless for a cause. He is using his popularity to show a need to conserve not live in squatter when he does not have too. Just because he is rich does not mean he should not be informitive. He is only asking people to conserve not live with candles for light. Yes, when people speak out for a particular unpopular cause they are often atacked.

Hilary Clinton Da Woman!!! we will be seeing her in 2012:D

bluI don't think he's using smear tactics though.

And a Big Yes that McCain is running a smear campaign. Equating Obama to Paris and Britney then this new attack with the 10 commandments. These are ads not discussing issues only Obama's popularity.

I see all sides from situations and I can critize those I usually root for when they do wrong (hense my previous post on Obama). I dont know how you can say McCain is not using smear tactics.

I hope McCain choose Rice as VP.

[irock4u]

Oh yeah, I agree that smearing is gonna happen but Mccain should not say he is going to run a clean campaign then be on the attack by smearing. He should be on the attack with facts. If you can not keep the small promises what good are you with the really big promises. Yep, I laughed my a$$ watching that too. I do have a sense of humor not a prude. I was just stating facts that he was smearing.

I am totally for McCain in this election. Obama screwed up big time.

:pAnd I know I havent totally counted Hilary out yet she is a sneaky little somebody:p

[bludflygrl]

Oh yeah, I agree that smearing is gonna happen but Mccain should not say he is going to run a clean campaign then be on the attack by smearing. He should be on the attack with facts. If you can not keep the small promises what good are you with the really big promises. Yep, I laughed my a$$ watching that too. I do have a sense of humor not a prude. I was just stating facts that he was smearing.

I am totally for McCain in this election. Obama screwed up big time.

:pAnd I know I havent totally counted Hilary out yet she is a sneaky little somebody:p

Yeah by smear I was meaning more of really personally nasty things. Of course I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Paris Hilton in an add. it's politics....I am wanting to see the debates. Although, my mind is pretty well made up. I don't think McCain's ads have been that bad.:p;)

[bludflygrl]

Sorry to double post, but rockie. I didn't say anything about rich people not being able to speak out or be informative. If you are gonna tell people to go green, should you use $30,000 in utilities? Or fly on a lear jet. I am for doing right by the enviro..I just don't like people telling me to do one thing as they do another. Kinda like Sheryl Crowe (who I love) saying to use one square of tp for number one, and two to three for pesty incidences. Yeah right, as someone once said, all you'll attract with that idea.. are flies! I just don't like when the BRAND names tell us what to do , yet do whatever. :o

[irock4u]

If you are gonna tell people to go green, should you use $30,000 in utilities? Or fly on a lear jet. I am for doing right by the enviro..I just don't like people telling me to do one thing as they do another.

rock,he is conserving for his lifestyle and wants us to do the same for our lifestyle

I am sure he could be spending more he is conserving for his lifestyle and want us to do the same. Considering, I paid about $3500 in utilities for him having a mansion i dont think is too bad. No one is going to be perfect when fighting for or mentioning a cause. I agree I dont care for when people like Oprah dedicate an entire episode and tell me to drink out of glass cup and not a paper cup. She talked about Toilet paper as well minus one sheet than normal when wiping who thinks of this crap. I dont recall the guest might have been Cherly Crow. Anywho, Al is a good man just trying to bring attention to the environment. Ed Begley Jr been living a Green lifestyle for like since his Mork and Mindy guest staring days. He does not have the Celb status to get people to care or thinking Al does. Even though he is not efficient in this are at least he got people thinking and brought attention to the subject.

[bludflygrl]

I've seen what you're talking about TWICE ! LOL McCain was awesome! He clearly answered every question. Obama stammered..(worse than BUSH, he sux if he is unscripted ...sorry but he does) he didn't know what to say. I think he was trying to think of what people would want to hear! Yes, his voting record sux!! He has voted "present" 130 times! Hilary got on him for that in the debates! Funny Obama picked Biden (yuk), cos Biden said that Obama wasn't ready to lead the country! McCain has a new ad of Biden at the Dem. debates, he totally says Obama doesn't have the experience to lead! I hope Hillary pulls a stunt! I would much rather see her as the Dem nominee over OBAMA!!
If McCAin chooses a woman as VP.........game over!:D
Don't worry guys McCain is pretty liberal on social issues. He's only leaning right so the conservatives don't stay home. I heard 1 in 5 Hilary supporters will go for McCain. There are a bunch more that are undecided.;)

[bludflygrl]

There is a lot of talk about Kay Bailey Hutchinson from Texas! I really like her. My first choice would be Condi though, OMG that would throw a big wrench in the race issue!:rolleyes:

[irock4u]

! I hope Hillary pulls a stunt! I would much rather see her as the Dem nominee over OBAMA!!


LMFAO!!! I can just invision Hiliary's acceptance speech, "this is so unexpected"

[bludflygrl]

LMFAO!!! I can just invision Hiliary's acceptance speech, "this is so unexpected"

:d_biglaugh: Yeah, don't forget about Billy boy!!! I will certainly be watching the convention !!! I think Obama made a mistake in not even putting her on the short list.:(

[jelkins]

Personally, I cringed when I heard McCain's response on conception. Any legislation that forces women to gestate or restricts access to safe, legal abortion is a bad idea. We can argue about this from now until kingdom come but the unfortunate fact is that there are always going to be abortions conducted in this country, whether it's legal to do so or not.

Here are the facts on missed votes:
McCain: 407 votes missed (63.8%)
Obama: 290 votes missed (45.5%)
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

I'm not 100% sure of this but since Obama opted not to accept public funds to finance his campaign, he pays for his jet out of the money he's raised through his campaign. McCain uses (or has used) his wife's corporate jet and is reimbursed through the public campaign fund.

I think Biden is a bit risky choice but a he fills the gaps Obama needs filled - experience and a white, middle-class background. Biden's stance on some gay/lesbian issues:
Ending Discrimination Based On Sexual Orientation: Senator Biden believes legal recognition should not be denied same-sex couples. He advocates for re-examining federal laws, including the tax code, to ensure our national laws are not unfair to same-sex couples, and that committed adults who are adopting are not discriminated against because of sexual orientation. He supports letting states determine how to recognize civil unions and define marriage.

This is all going to get really interesting when McCain announces his VP pick. Both Romney and Lieberman suck. Tom Ridge - ugh, I haven't the words. Pawlenty is basically unknown and would probably do the least damage to McCain. Maybe McCain should consider Hillary as his running mate.....?

[bludflygrl]

No offense Jelkins, but McCain has been in the Senate for 21 years. Obama has been a Senator for two years. McCain has a record, a history, he was a P.O.W. a little more to go on.

As far as when life begins...McCain is right a conception! If not....why wear a condom?? Obama barely answered! He was awful on that question! Life does not begin three months later as Pelosi would have you believe!

[vanblue2003]

maybe it's just me...but i think this election started off amazing. now i just think it's an effin circus.

i originally did NOT want to vote for obama. i've been a hillary supporter since before she even announced her plans to run for prez. i've tried to like obama, i really have. but i can't.

i even thought about voting for mccain...but that goes against my belief that i as a woman, as a citizen, have certain rights that i don't like being fucked with AT ALL.

i'm still going back and forth. should i vote for obama, or just not vote?

:wallbash:

btw, lets be honest. this isn't always about experience. voting is a selfish act.

[jelkins]

I don't have anything personally against McCain, bludflygrl. I think he's a decent man. I decided I wanted to vote for whoever has the highest potential to effectuate change and help us to recover from the catastrophe George W. Bush has created. I think I've said this before but I could see myself voting for McCain in the past. However, when faced with too much projected continuation of the last 8 years by McCain, I've decided to vote for Obama. Abstaining from voting is not an option with me. I absolutely WILL vote. While I'm not 100% ecstatic about Obama, I'm a lot happier with him than I was with voting for John Kerry in 2004. My personal beliefs and political leanings are 95% in line with Obama's. I voted for Hillary in the primaries but rather than being bitter about her not winning the nomination, I'm looking toward the bigger picture. My differences with Obama are marginal - what is at stake in this election is HUGE.

As far as abortion goes, I've always found the discussion of "At what point does a mass of cells become a baby?" to be damn near irrelevant. Despite our efforts to educate and distribute contraception, well beyond any abuse or rape, unwanted pregnancies occur. That is the reality of the situation. Try as we may, we cannot force a person to take responsibility for the welfare of a child if they don't want to - whether it's at conception, after conception or after birth. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, there will still be lots of women getting abortions except they will take place in back alley "clinics" with wire hangers and a Shop Vac. I don't like the idea of abortion any more than you do but I'd rather keep it legal and safe than to make it illegal and cause a whole other set of problems to erupt. That's my opinion. I spoke to a guy named Dennis Thompson who is a professor of ethics at Havard (his son is one of my best friends.) He pointed out that on an individual basis and a deeply personal level, we struggle with our feelings on abortion more than with any other issue facing our society today. It's interesting to think about why that is. It's never going to be as cut-and-dried as most of us try to make it out to be when voicing our opinions on the matter and there are so many other issues that surround it. To use a term bludflygrl has used several times, abortion "sux" but some of us see it as an evil necessary. :(

[bludflygrl]

As a woman I feel each woman should do what she feels best for her situation.

McCain and Romney have both stated that Roe VS Wade is the law of the land. I honestly don't think abortion will ever be overturned. There would be too many other ways for a woman to have an abortion. It would be horrible for women in our country. Remember coat hanger babies and abortion trailers? Though I wouldn't have an abortion, unless raped, I am actually pro choice as far as law of the land goes. However, I don't believe in using abortion as a form of birth control. I also am against partial birth abortion, unless it's to save the life of the mother.

I think the debates will make or either one of them. I am very curious to see who McCain chooses. I am it's someone exciting..I wouldn't mind Lieberman!:o

[vanblue2003]

Well Vanessa, thats one of the rights we have as an American is to vote and I encourage you to go vote, no matter who it is for. Like I always say, if you don't vote, you can't complain lol. I know you wouldn't, just giving you a hard time, but yes, do vote. Its your right! And I think we take advantage of that big time. But you do what you want... but at least consider it. :D

yeah i know. if you don't vote, you don't matter lol.

i know i'll end up voting. i just get so freakin confused, especially as a new, young voter.

[hgwcan]

I don't know if anyone is watching the convention on CNN, but the band was playing just now and everyone was dancing in the crowd, and Anderson Cooper told Wolf Blitzer that it was just like the Ellen Degeneres show where everyone dances at the beginning of the show.

[vanblue2003]

Now I never said that! You do matter, everyone does... ;)

lol i know you didn't say that! i was quoting that one movie with sean penn (all the king's men). :p

if you don't vote, you don't matter!

that's the ONLY thing i understood when i saw that movie...:rolleyes:

[angeluv0426]

Edward Kennedy gave his fiery support for Barack Obama. There were speculations on whether he would be able to delivery [at the DNC] his speech in pledge and support for Obama due to his ailing health. It was a very passionate speech.

[angeluv0426]

Interesting, the media is criticizing the Democrats for not attacking the administration under George W. Bush. Apparently the Dems thoughts it was essential to introduce the Obamas as a grounded family with the same core values that Americans are concern about, comprehensive health care, education and jobs. It is my opinion that Michelle Obama understood the path to her husband’s political agenda. To show they too share the same concerns of ordinary Americans. I'm sure Hilary Clinton will start attacking the Bush Administration tomorrow. Actually, it was not a bad strategic move by the Democrats to introduce the Obamas that they share the same fundamental values and not the negative image projected by the McCain camp. I believe their objective was to appeal to the Hilary supporters, not to lose/ or gain their votes [the white working class Americans]. I hate terms that continue to divide Americans by classification.

[irock4u]

Mccain is being tacky:wacko:

His ads are funny but give it a break and mention a cause. Just saw another ad where he invokes Hilary.

[bludflygrl]

I think it was good that the Obama's didn't go neagtive out of the gate. I missed Kennedy...sorry, don't care for him very much. Yeah, I saw the Hillary ad! It is cheesy, but I have also seen some by Obama comparing him to Bush...he and Bush are different. I think those ads are very god either! I want them to stick to the issues.

[jelkins]

Anyone watching the DNC tonight... ???

I couldn't break free to watch until about the time Caroline Kennedy took the stage but I watched it in duration afterward.
What did y'all think?
It's powerful and compelling stuff but that's what these people are good at - this is American politics. Having said that and after watching Michelle Obama, I'm not so sure she isn't the one who should be running for President. I can't help it; I'm a political junkie and a bleeding heart liberal. I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinion, though. Hillary speaks Tuesday night! That ought to be VERY interesting.
As far as the ads go, the Dems are *trying* to take the high road, to some extent. That's not something we've seen in a Presidential election during my lifetime. Negative ads are going to surface but I can't help but appreciate the fact that the Dems are trying to convey a message of unity. At the very least, it gives the GOP something to work toward.