[woodstock25]

Hi...
I'm sorry that i'm opening this thread, I know that may be there was another one like this before but I'm
in really shitty mood and I need to release my anger...
I'm just after a very bad discussion about lgbt issues and marriage equality. And my close ones, my parents,
close relatives said so many horrible things. I can't stop crying right now...
I really can't... I know that I can't change the world, I can't change Poland (which I came from...) but
I thought that I can change my family... but I can't. I'm really upset. I heard that marriage equality is the subject
that can be compared to sex between cat and dog, or pederasty... I heard that partnership ok, but adoption not. That
family of alcoholics is better for child that lgbt family... I'm really really sad...
Please.. I rerally want to know that there are on this planet people who has good point of view... even when we are basing
on Ellen and Portia.. WHAT IS BETTER THAN THIS?..

Please.. cheer me up ...

[anael59]

unfortunately there is still a lot of person who thinks like your family
It's kinda hard to change people's mind, when i hear things like that,i always say that love is love, hapiness is the most important, there is no damage if two women or two men sign a paper, and call them husband or wife.
There are so much children who claims they are happy with their two moms or two dads, so why are they still thinking that they are not
I don't know if it was clear, i'm still learning english, i would like to tell you so much,
but all i can say is you can be proud of you, to have that great spirit,you are a good person just by thinking that.

[debby]

i want to try to cheer you up i immediadly thought of this song...
"jen fosters - she"

I have heard it said so many times, "Love is blind"
So why are you staring?
You say that love is all we need, well
Does that apply to me?
'Cause I have found someone
That I think is beautiful
And I have fallen in love
And I'm telling you
She
Means everything to me
She
Makes me feel nothing else matters
Not even what the world thinks of me
They told me when I was a little girl, "Love's a pearl -
You're lucky if you find it,
So share that precious beauty with the world,"
Now suddenly they say I've got to hide it
But I have found true love
And there is nothing you can do
Just try and stop me, just try and stop us
Good luck to you, 'cause
She
Means everything to me
She
Makes me feel nothing else matters
Not even what the world thinks of me
(She...she...she...)
It's simple as can be
I love her, she loves me
This is what everybody dreams of
There's nothing to be afraid of, there's nothing to be afraid of, after all it's
only love
'cause
She
Means everything to me
She
Makes me feel nothing else matters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOP3...eature=related

this song helped me through a lot. be patient, be yourself, be proud and follow your heart! go anywhere you feel save, free and happy

i hope i could help a little

[doshka]

I really think that you're wrong and we can (and we will) change Poland and world. I know it's hard to think that, especially since you have such a response from your family but don't give up. They will come around and realise that it's silly to see any issue in gay marriages or adoptions. And if not - remember it's your life, you have to be happy and be true to yourself.
Głowa do góry - będzie lepiej

[suki]

I'm so sorry you are upset But unfortunately it happens a lot, everywhere in the world there are people who think like that, no matter where you live

People are scared of what they don't understand and they have been listening to people all their life that say it is wrong, from priests, teachers, friends, politicians, parents and other family members, everyone has said it is wrong and it's very hard to change that now, no matter how hard we try. They don't feel that way and it scares them that others do.

I know it's hard but it's takes time to change people's thoughts and attitudes, it always does. It was still illegal in parts of the UK to be homosexual up until 1982, so look how far we have come since then, gay couples now have the same equal rights as straight couples, but it took a long fight.

So please don't be upset, people do change and do see that it's nothing to be scared of and that it isn't wrong, it just takes time and never forget to be yourself and live how you want to live

[woodstock25]

First of all THANKS. It’s so-so-so-so good to feel your support and of course feel that I’m not alone, and we’re not alone!
Hmmm I think it’s not a big deal to make coming out on Ellen’s forum… so I will do it properly to the theme – Yep, I’m gay
My parents still don’t know officially, but I’m 100% sure, that it would be better to say : they don’t want to know. And I can tell they’re quite tolerant, but only on superficial level. When there is a big discussion I can find out about their real “tolerance”… ‘residual tolerance’. There was of course whole bunch of friends, and it starts when Elton John was on TV and you can imagine the whole process and arguments.. :/
I don’t know… I’m in very long distance relationship with my GF, I can’t believe that nobody from my close environment don’t see this and don’t respect this…



@ anael59 : Thanks for good word … thanks so much I think that you English is on great level, but that’s pity that I can’t speak French (am I correct? I see this info under you avatar) to hear everything you have to say…



@debby: Thanks! I don’t know how does happen, but I have never heard that song before! Thanks… It’s really cheering up lyrics I will be returning to this tune very often



@doshka: Ooohh… I want so much to change at least Poland because I think that we are on very bad position if it comes to LGBT issues. I hope so much, that our liberal politics and liberal parties will do something with civil partnerships projects… Because this cause the discussion, and discussion is very good and very useful because it can opens minds …. [I również wielkie dzięki za dobre słowa, naprawdę od razu jest lepiej “w kupie raźniej” ]



@suki : Yeah, I know… I’m trying to be strong when it comes to discussion. But sometimes I feel that my arguments are so obvious.. and somebody is telling me that I’m not right and I become so angry and word-aggressive… My today’s discussion partners have so stupid point of view, and so stupid and empty arguments without any sources… for example that told me that there are no studies about influence of gay parents of their children… When I told that there are I heard, that I’m wrong, manipulate and I’m using mental-tricks to make discussion hard. My only comment – WTF?! But anyway… I know that everything is hard, and this is complicated topic… I hope something will change someday… I really want. But THANKS AGAIN TO YOU TOO FOR KIND SUPPORT! J THANKS!

Again – THANKS FOR SUPPORT. YOU’RE GREAT GUYS! It really means a lot
Hmm… I think the best way to end this shitty day (which , because of you became more nice and more bright ) is to watch two overdue episodes of Ellen ;D

[jlilest]

Maybe reading these threads will help too...
Bi to Gay

coming out

coming out

Coming Out ! At least, on this forum

Coming out to my family

Coming Out Story

I'm sure there is a wide range of experiences, both in life and in these. These are just the threads I saved for this general subject.

I wish I could really help, but maybe reading a bit about others going through this will help some.

[Dianbo]

I think a lot of people have faced what you are facing, and have heard what you have heard.

But thanks to people who stand up, and thanks to people who say those things, there's everyday less people that will get to hear those things.

Because one day, someone like you decided that no one should get hurt again like you have been. I know it's hard, and of course you can't avoid pain to everyone, but one step to another and we're were Ellen got us.

A different world from the world she used to know. We can now say that 2012 is different and better than 1997.

She decided one day to stand up while a hundred of others would have stayed quiet. She faced hate, anger, unfairness, in the same level as you did, but from millions of people.

I think you make this step someday, when you have been too much hurted. Maybe it's your process until you can actually stand up and say your voice

[woodstock25]

@ jlilest (moderator) : thanks for materials. I'm on this forum since few months but I was focused on constance E&P subjects. Thank you, I will read those threads with pleasure because it's always good to know about other people stories which might be similar to mine

@ Dianbo : Yeah... I know that I'm not alone and my story is only a little step which civilization need to made on the way to proper equality. This pain will be rewarded I belive... Thanks for your support!

Really... Even that we don't know eachother, we don't even know eachother names but I feel your support and I feel like I'm with my friends who understand me... I wasn't expecting yesterday that you will help so much Thakns again and I wish you all the best! in every possible way!

[itrack4u]

I am a very proud member of this forum. In my six years here, I've seen countless changes; both good and bad. At it's very core, ellen-degeneres.com has always been a warm and positive place.

This thread is the cherry on the top of my great day! Thank you to all the members that replied to woodstock25, in a heartfelt and respectful manner.

Suze